NXT durability- bah!

DLW wrote:

After going through my first bottle of NXT, I've come to the conclusion that as far as durabilty, NXT ranks as low as anything I have ever used, period.
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I agree completely -- and without their mighty advertising budget, I don't think NXT would have much success. Reminds me of the bottled-water industry, which gets by mostly on marketing, perception, and hype.



I'm keeping an open mind, however. I would like to see Meguires use some of their advertising budget to prove the durability of NXT with some type of analytical method. The semiconductor industry routinely designs transistors of dimensions less than 1/4 micron. Meguires should be able to prove that a layer of wax stays on the car after X-number of washes. It's just not rocket science.
 
AlanP said:


I'm keeping an open mind, however. I would like to see Meguires use some of their advertising budget to prove the durability of NXT with some type of analytical method. The semiconductor industry routinely designs transistors of dimensions less than 1/4 micron. Meguires should be able to prove that a layer of wax stays on the car after X-number of washes. It's just not rocket science.
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If you aren't happy with it Meguiars will gladly refund your money. No other company has every proved the durability of their products, why is it Meguiars should be required to? As a matter of fact, most companies will not even tell you how long their product will last because there is no reliable way to tell.
 
Oh this is just terrific......I just spent 4 hrs using #80, and topped with NXT (Sample packets) I was at the Autopia day at Megs a couple of weeks ago, and while i was there, thats seemed to be the sealnat of choice....Mind you I havent bought any, yet...Will I? I dont know after this thread...One thing i did notice though, what a dust magnet ??!! And it wasnt as easy, at least for me to remove, as BF and Plat. Maybe I should stay with my old favorites anyway, Platinum, and Blackfire....

I did like #80 though !!!



On a side note, Bob, ive always been uder the impression companies inform the consumer of unrealistic expectations.....even NuFinish still claims "Once a year" car polish.... (And why they call it polish is beyond me, other than all the chemical cleaners in it)
 

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My son has three coats of NXT on the Mustang that were applied over a three day period in early April. The 'Stang gets washed at least three times a week (Meguiar's Gold Class car wash shampoo) and water still beads like crazy on it.
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:


On a side note, Bob, ive always been uder the impression companies inform the consumer of unrealistic expectations.....even NuFinish still claims "Once a year" car polish.... (And why they call it polish is beyond me, other than all the chemical cleaners in it)
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Maybe I should have said "reputable companies". There is no way any company can tell you how long their product is going to last even if there was a standard for measuring protection to begin with. There are just too many variables to take into account. Look at the wide variation of the results people are getting with NXT and most other products for that matter.



One of the nice things about Meguiars is they will go out of their way to make sure the customer is happy. If making you happy means giving you your money back they will gladly do it.
 
I've had nothing but good results with NXT. Why the huge disparity, I don't know. Even some loyal Meguiars users feel let down and some who weren't necessarily Meguiars fans like it. :nixweiss



I've used it mostly over Vanilla Moose or Meguiars #9/#82 with very good results, nice appearance and at least 3 months of beading. I think Poorboy's EX and EX-P and Wolfgang last a bit longer though. My only real complaint with NXT is it is a touch finicky to use when under about 50-55 degrees and after about 3-4 weeks it isn't particularly slick, although the paint is still smooth and not grabby. One exception though....AIO/NXT on a single stage white Honda Accord applied late January, as of a week ago, still very, very slick, incredible beading and the car still looks amazing. Go figure. :p
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
Oh this is just terrific......I just spent 4 hrs using #80, and topped with NXT (Sample packets) I was at the Autopia day at Megs a couple of weeks ago, and while i was there, thats seemed to be the sealnat of choice....Mind you I havent bought any, yet...Will I? I dont know after this thread...One thing i did notice though, what a dust magnet ??!! And it wasnt as easy, at least for me to remove, as BF and Plat. Maybe I should stay with my old favorites anyway, Platinum, and Blackfire....

I did like #80 though !!!



On a side note, Bob, ive always been uder the impression companies inform the consumer of unrealistic expectations.....even NuFinish still claims "Once a year" car polish.... (And why they call it polish is beyond me, other than all the chemical cleaners in it)
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Patrick...knowing your favorite ( BF ),I wouldn't bother to get NXT...

and would take a BF any day of the week ( my own experience )
 
I too am having mixed results with NXT.



On our black Accord I was disappointed with the results after only one week. The car still looks good but the water sheets off after washing. All the slickness is gone and the hood squeaks when you run your hand across it. The car was cleaned, clayed, AIO then NXT. Both were applied with a PC.



On the other hand, the NXT surface is is sllick on our white RX330 after 4 weeks.
 
This is what I keep hearing, that the water sheets after washing. If you are using the NXT Tech Wash it is supposed to sheet, that is what it was formulated to do. NXT Tech Wash creates a sheeting action to help minimize the drying time. That sheeting action seems to hang around a while. If you don't like the sheeting than using something like Gold Class car wash which is designed to promote beading instead.
 
I've tried NXT right over Zaino,AIO,1Z MP,#9 and #80.To me it's a cheap (cost wise) and easy product to use and to ME looks good and also isn't to picky about what's underneath it.I've never had it crap out on me in a week or two like some, but will it last 4 month's I can't honestly say yet.
 
Well, it's been almost one week since NXT's been on my silver car and it seems to be holding up a tad better than it did on my black car....however, instead of a regular wash, I'm using QEW.



One interesting thing I will point out though is that the slickness and beading/sheeting action I get from an UNTOPPED 1Z Paint Polish surface seems to last longer than what I get from NXT. In other words, even the mild protection afforded from using an Einszett polish seems to outlast that of NXT's. Although I like the way this product performs initially, durability is not NXT's strong suit. Meguiar's can tote NXT's Engineered Synthetic Polymers (LOL, which is basically saying the same thing using three words instead of one) till they're blue in the face, it still doesn't change the fact that a lot of us are getting poor durability.



BTW, rjstaaf, I use Gold Class. :) If it's working out for you, then that's great. In fact, you're in a position which I sort of envy because durability aside, NXT's other attributes compete very well with other products commonly used here on Autopia.
 
Intermezzo said:
.....because durability aside, NXT's other attributes compete very well with other products commonly used here on Autopia.
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Well stated Tony.

Many have missed the positives.:bow



With that stated NXT's formulators should address the real-life variabilities (from extremely poor to excellent) in durability that seem to be unique to this product.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Well stated Tony.

Many have missed the positives.:bow



With that stated NXT's formulators should address the real-life variabilities (from extremely poor to excellent) in durability that seem to be unique to this product.
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I don't think we've missed the positives. Almost anything looks good the day of/day after application so long as decent prep was done to the surface. What sets the truly outstanding products apart from the rest of the of pack is how well they hold up over an extended period of time, and how good the paint looks. I could put sald or baby oil all over my car and it would probably blow all the products we use away in terms of looks, etc. But how long will it last, and how good will the paint look after a brutal winter?



Bill.
 
It's odd, but I agree with Bill North! :p



Really though... I'm trying reeeeaally hard, maybe overly hard to like this stuff, and even though I wax my car weekly, the durability of NXT is starting to bother me.



I've noticed an increase in water etch marks, a quickly fading bead pattern, and the evaporating 'swirl hiding' fillers faster than most other products i've ever used.



It's dissapointing, cuz I wanted to like this stuff sooo much, and it smells fantastic.



I also applied it on my dads truck (no care, not a wash, wax, nothing.. ever), on half the hood, and one door panel, just to see about durability. It looked better the first week, but then nothing. It's been a month now, and those panels are identical to the panels that had not been touched...



Ah well.. I guess I can use it on the cars I detail every single week, but it won't get much use besides that... :(
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
Mike, are you watching this ???
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And what would you have him say that hasn't been said at least 20 times already.



Obviously there are people who don't like NXT and there are plenty that do. The durability issue is confusing. There are those that are getting very good durability out of it and those that aren't. NXT certainly isn't the only product that we see varying results from. I would be quick to blame NXT if there wasn't a significant number of people who are having success with it. Who is to say who is wrong here? Autopia is definitely not the yardstick that any of these products live and die by. This board is made up of a tiny little nitch of overly AR people like myself who tend to take ourselves wayyyy too seriously. I think we just need to sit back, take a deep breath and relax. The bottom line is if you don't like NXT, GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
 
petraidm said:
I too am having mixed results with NXT.



On our black Accord I was disappointed with the results after only one week. The car still looks good but the water sheets off after washing. All the slickness is gone and the hood squeaks when you run your hand across it. The car was cleaned, clayed, AIO then NXT. Both were applied with a PC.



On the other hand, the NXT surface is is sllick on our white RX330 after 4 weeks.
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I have had not so great durability experiences with NXT. That being said, I've speculated that heat and humidity play a mojor role in the durability of NXT. I live in Hawaii and have ffound NXT durability to be sub-par. Many others who have the same problem, like you are using NXT on dark colored cars or live in high temperature areas. I suspect that NXT is much less durable depending on the environment it's applied in and the color car it's applied to.



:nixweiss
 
I think one thing that would be most helpful is for those who are having problems with NXT to explain the process used in detail as well as how it was maintained and maybe the conditions where you live, anything that could have an affect on the surface.



Just making a statement that NXT or any product for that matter isn't durable doesn't really help anyone.



Not only would an explanation of your process help others but, maybe if there is an issue with NXT it might help Meguiars spot a trend.



This probably would be helpful pretty much for any product.



Just a thought :nixweiss
 
rjstaaf said:
And what would you have him say that hasn't been said at least 20 times already.



Obviously there are people who don't like NXT and there are plenty that do. The durability issue is confusing. There are those that are getting very good durability out of it and those that aren't. NXT certainly isn't the only product that we see varying results from. I would be quick to blame NXT if there wasn't a significant number of people who are having success with it. Who is to say who is wrong here? Autopia is definitely not the yardstick that any of these products live and die by. This board is made up of a tiny little nitch of overly AR people like myself who tend to take ourselves wayyyy too seriously. I think we just need to sit back, take a deep breath and relax. The bottom line is if you don't like NXT, GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
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I don't think is an issue of right and wrong. It's not that simple. Everyone seems to have their own way of determining durability, some of it more accurate and thought-out than others. What's been obvious to me is the people who are the most discriminating, most experienced and most knowledgeable are the ones (in general) who have questioned on NXT durability. Keep in mind that Meguiar's promotes NXT Tech Wax as their most durable wax.



As for Autopia not being the yardstick, please remember that it was Autopia where Mike Phillips came to first tease us with lab samples, then roll out internet sales to members. Yeah, this info was discussed elsewhere too but it was to most of the same people. And it was Mike who flew from CA to St Louis to BradB's GTG in October to show off Lab Sample Whateveritwas. It was Autopia where Meguiar's launched their viral marketing campaign to build pre-release hype for the NXT line. No, Meguiar's wanted to build legitimacy with the online car forums and Mike is their designated point man. Nothing wrong with that; clearly Meguiar's has benefited greatly from their exposure here and elsewhere. I think minimizing the influence of Autopia on car forums everywhere is a mistake. If Autopia is not the yardstick for Meguiar's newfound interest in online forums, I don't know what is.
 
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