NXT difficult to buff off??

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We've used NXT on my husbands silver metallic and it seemed to buff off fine, however not on mine. Mine is jet black and it seems to have left a very fine layer that I can't buff off! I'm glad I only tested it out on my trunk! I know I put it on a little thicker than I should have. I waited about 20-25 minutes before I buffed it off. It came off fairly easy, but I can get my finger and make a line in my paint and you can see where I buffed with my mf. I used 3 or 4 trying to get it all off. Did I not wait long enough to buff it off? I can't imagine too much product causing this. On our silver car, maybe we just didn't see it. :nixweiss

Anyone have any idea or experience this? It must be something I'm doing because lots of people I read like it on their black.

I like how it hid some of the swirls. :) So I'd like to keep using it for a little while. Durability isn't a big issue since they are in a garage 22.5 hours of the day.



Thanks!!
 
I don't think you're doing anything wrong. I get the same thing when using NXT on flat black. I apply it at thin as humanly possible, give it ample time to dry and then buff the product. While the bulk of the product comes off relatively easily, there is always a small, smeary layer of product left over...but it's not that easy to see and is only visible under certain lighting angles. You're not the first person to experience this.



But then again, NXT has been something of a Jeckyl & Hyde product in that a lot of people have been getting highly varied results. I currently use NXT on silver and seem to be getting pretty good results. I still get smears, but they're hardly noticeable.
 
I hate that its smudgy like that ( I know thats not a real word :) )

And I'm disappointed! I really like the way NXT looks. I guess I'll have to try out my VM and EX now.



Would EX on top of the NXT help the smudging problem?



Would the vm ex combo hide swirls just as good as NXT?



I have a 4 yr old and he can get in and out of my 4 door himself, so I don't really want to have to break out the mf everytime we get in or out somewhere. Those little bitty finger marks drive me crazy enough as it is w/o smudging! I've told him how to JUST use the door handle, but again, he just turned 4, how well do you expect him to remember every time? hahaha! :D
 
I have always had this experience with Meguiar's waxes. It always left an oily smeary film on my cars. I tested NXT on teal Regal and it was fine though.
 
ANB said:
I hate that its smudgy like that ( I know thats not a real word :) )

And I'm disappointed! I really like the way NXT looks. I guess I'll have to try out my VM and EX now.



Would EX on top of the NXT help the smudging problem?



Would the vm ex combo hide swirls just as good as NXT?



I have a 4 yr old and he can get in and out of my 4 door himself, so I don't really want to have to break out the mf everytime we get in or out somewhere. Those little bitty finger marks drive me crazy enough as it is w/o smudging! I've told him how to JUST use the door handle, but again, he just turned 4, how well do you expect him to remember every time? hahaha! :D
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Just curious, would you mind answering a couple of questions.



What was the entire process you used on the paint?



How much time did you let NXT haze before you wiped it off? I know Meguiars recommends 15 minutes but, I usually do a finger test to make sure it doesn't smear before I wipe it off. I have found that if it is humid out or if you put it on too thickly it could take quite a bit longer before it is ready to be wiped off.
 
The only prep was dawn to get dealer crap off. I'm just trying to touch it as minimal as humanly possible since it barely has any swirls. Thats why I only used NXT. I also have vm, cmw and EX. But NXT looked great on my husbands metallic silver, so I wanted to try it.

I left it on for about 20-25 minutes. I applied it in the garage last night and it was a beautiful day and no humidity.

My problem must have been too much product.

I guess I'll try it really thin and give it one more chance.

Mist the pad before I put the nxt on there? I worry about applying it too thin. If the dry pad gets on the paint can it scratch it?

Can EX go over NXT? And can VM/EX hide swirls like the NXT did?
 
ANB said:
I hate that its smudgy like that ( I know thats not a real word :) )

And I'm disappointed! I really like the way NXT looks. I guess I'll have to try out my VM and EX now.



Would EX on top of the NXT help the smudging problem?



Would the vm ex combo hide swirls just as good as NXT?



I have a 4 yr old and he can get in and out of my 4 door himself, so I don't really want to have to break out the mf everytime we get in or out somewhere. Those little bitty finger marks drive me crazy enough as it is w/o smudging! I've told him how to JUST use the door handle, but again, he just turned 4, how well do you expect him to remember every time? hahaha! :D
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Yeah, I like NXT's shine as well....at least on my silver car.



EX will make quick work of the smudges left from NXT.....but why not just use EX without any NXT? IMO, two applications of EX will look every bit as good as NXT + EX.



VM + EX will hide swirls much better than NXT all by itself. This really isn't a fair comparison. NXT is a last step product while VM is a tad more abrasive than NXT's specialized cleaners. VM is generally used as a final polish to remove & fill any light marring prior to your final wax/sealant, so it will deal with swirls better than NXT.



Hehe, the joys of trying keep your car up to Autopian standards while raising a 4-year old. I had two young nephews stay with us over the weekend and they are complete monsters (very rowdy and can't sit still. They don't know how to speak yet....only yell!). I would probably give up on any kind of serious detailing if my (future) kids turn out the way they do. Your 4-year old sounds really cute though!! :D
 
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The only prep was dawn to get dealer crap off. I'm just trying to touch it as minimal as humanly possible since it barely has any swirls. Thats why I only used NXT. I also have vm, cmw and EX. But NXT looked great on my husbands metallic silver, so I wanted to try it.

I left it on for about 20-25 minutes. I applied it in the garage last night and it was a beautiful day and no humidity.

My problem must have been too much product.

I guess I'll try it really thin and give it one more chance.

Mist the pad before I put the nxt on there? I worry about applying it too thin. If the dry pad gets on the paint can it scratch it?

Can EX go over NXT? And can VM/EX hide swirls like the NXT did?
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If you are worried about the dry pad just put some NXT on the pad and smear it around on the pad with your finger.



Are you sure you completely rinsed the dawn off the car? If it were me I probably would have washed it with a regular car wash after the dawn just to make sure there was no film left behind.
 
I've always found that when it is difficult to remove and buff any product it is usually one of two reasons:

a) too much product

b) not properly cured



I use about a nickel sized dab for about 1/3 my hood, that is how small amount I use. And I always let Zaino or NXT cure overnight, no matter what the manufacturer says.
 
Yep, I should have washed the car with carwash after the dawn..I didn't even think of that! At least I only applied NXT to the trunk and not the whole dang car! My new pads are coming in tomorrow so this weekend I plan on doing the whole car.



I think the NXT film is probably due to both not a long enough cure time AND too much product. I know for a fact I probably used way too much. I made a big spiral all over the pad for just the trunk. LOL! I'm not going to give up on NXT though, it was user error.



Intermezzo, my kid IS cute..lol! He's a very sweet, well-mannored little guy. I just know if we have another one he/she will be like the devil. Theres no way I could have 2 well behaved kids, I'm just not that lucky!





Here is a pic of him a few months ago.
 

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IMO 15 min. is not long enough for the NXT to dry or cure.If it's humid out I don't think 30 min. may be long enough.I had the same problem when first using NXT and I have black.The problem was I was getting a next day haze everytime I used it.The main problem I've found is not letting it set up long enough before buffing off.Lately I've let it sit for about an hour before buffing off just to see if it helps with the hazing and I haven't noticed any hazing the last few times I've used it.It may be like using Zaino if you put it on to thick or not let it dry enough before buffing off.
 
i have a black car and never had any problems with nxt wax, i did have a hard time with yellow tech wax though
 
Same problem here. Finally got the car polished with the PC and NXT is kiiling the results. I'm gonna go ahead and either go with poorboys or wolfgang. Been using NXT since it came out and now that the surface is at it's best, I'm a little disappointed.
 
Any of the left over residue that won't come off with a dry MF can usually be removed with a little spray of distilled water (though ideally, I understand you're not supposed to wet NXT for 24 hours). Otherwise, the residue will be washed away the next time the car is washed. Of course, a little of the gloss is washed away, too! Nothing a good QD can't fix, however. My $.02
 
In talking with Meguiars...you should be able to buff off fairly quickly...it would suprise me if you didn't leave it on long enough (some wipe off after every panel)



Others who have had this issue find that PC'ing it off will do wonders...try this

On with Meg 9006 pad with PC on #3

Off with Meg bonnett on 8006 pad with PC on #4



should be perfect (and quick!)
 
My response is basically the same as Tony's (Intermezzo). Use very thin layers and if you have a PC, use it with a finishing pad and a speed of 4. I find when applying it with the PC, not only does it seem to look better, but it wipes off very easily.



VM + EX-P will do a better job than just NXT since you have two products and VM definitely has stronger cleaning/polishing ability than NXT does...even though VM is still pretty mild. You can also try VM + NXT, I've used that several times and really like the results.



Bob (rjstaff) also makes a good point about using Dawn. Unless you are going to use Zaino, it is better to stick with regular car wash soap.



BTW, cute kid and I love his shirt! My son (who is 17) saw it and wants one now too!
 
Thanks for all the info everybody!



Now I know what to do with my NXT when I use it, WAIT longer and apply it really thin. I'll have to get some mf bonnets too. :)



I only used Dawn because I had no idea what the dealer put on it and I wanted to start clean. It still had some of that protective wax that bmw's have when they are traveling on the train and boat to get here. I saw it in the cracks after I washed it the first time. I didn't want to wax on top of that.



Scott, thanks for the compliments! I tried to send you a pm earlier but your box was full. I'm sure in a couple of months I'll need you to come by my house! I'll probably have lots of swirls by then that need to be buffed rather than hidden. I do the 2 bucket method, have awesome Mf's, but you people with black know no matter how hard you try they still appear!





I don't have EX-P, but I have EX. Now I guess my question is..which looks better on jet black, VM/NXT or VM/EX?
 
On jet black, VM/EX will look deeper and VM/NXT will look more reflective. Both will look really, really good.



BTW, since you are obviously in the metromess, you can get Clearkote products at Six Flags Mall at HYPER-formance. Cheaper than online too....but gas to get out to Arlington from Plano may eat that advantage up!



I take it you are Ashley, right?
 
Hey Scott! Why yes I am..:) I already have some VM. I'll remember that when I'm out. I'll still have to go check out that store though. I've never heard of it! What do you think about EX and NXT together? What order would I use them? I'm still a little hesitant about using any kind of compound on the paint since its SO new. Is there any way I could use those two together? I would think NXT over EX? Correct me if I'm wrong though.



Thanks!
 
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