Not happy with FK 1000P

[wannafbody]

They call it a wax for some reason, but it's all synthetic. It's a sealant, and it's light yellow in color.

Maybe your right but not all synthetic waxes crosslink in the same manner as other synthetic sealants. I realize it's splitting hairs but there are differences.

 

[bosco381]

Nothing wrong with trying out new products to satisfy curiosity at all. We all do that here.



That said, if I were trying out a new product like 1000p, I would make sure that I used it on a freshly polished surface, free from effects of other products such as the Werkstat.



If the paint didn't need polishing, I would have done an alcohol wipe down.



Then again, based on your descriptions, I don't know that you aren't getting the same look that would be expected with the 1000p anyway.

Like I said, since the president of FK didn't think it would affect the appearance, I didn't remove Werkstatt before applying 1000P. And, more and more I read about 1000P, I think he was right and the appearnce on my truck is what 1000P's supposed to look like.



Thicker looking clear coat - it sounded better than it looks, especially because it doesn't look entirely clear to me.



At least it's not a total loss. I think I like 1000P on my rims.

 

[Dsoto87]

You cant fully say if you do or do not like a product unless you use it on its own.



Thats like asking Jeff@the werkstat if 1000p will affect the appearance of AJT layered over it. How would he know for sure?



Try it on a fresh surface than evaluate it.



Im not saying this is going to change your mind but atleast youll know for sure that it was only the 1000p you were seeing

 

[bosco381]

You cant fully say if you do or do not like a product unless you use it on its own.



Thats like asking Jeff@the werkstat if 1000p will affect the appearance of AJT layered over it. How would he know for sure?



Try it on a fresh surface than evaluate it.



Im not saying this is going to change your mind but atleast youll know for sure that it was only the 1000p you were seeing

fair enough...

 

[Rob Tomlin]

You cant fully say if you do or do not like a product unless you use it on its own.



Thats like asking Jeff@the werkstat if 1000p will affect the appearance of AJT layered over it. How would he know for sure?



Try it on a fresh surface than evaluate it.



Im not saying this is going to change your mind but atleast youll know for sure that it was only the 1000p you were seeing

That's exactly how I see it.

 

[imported_Bence]

Where have you been?

Hi Tomi, I'm here every day, just post less.

 

[Alfisti]

Maybe your right but not all synthetic waxes crosslink in the same manner as other synthetic sealants. I realize it's splitting hairs but there are differences.

"Wax" is used generically by many companies to describe their product, eg. NXT Tech Wax...pure sealant. FX Syn Wax...pure sealant...all cross-link.



Virtually no-one goes to the trouble of producing a synthetic copy of a natural wax - except 1Z as far as I know.



All the others who label their LSPs as "wax" can be either a pure sealant or have natural wax components with most having polymers that cross-link.

 

[bosco381]

That's exactly how I see it.

I started over on my white 4Runner, in part, so I can see 1000P on its own. I applied 1000P on 3 different panels in 3 different ways - by itself, on top of Klasse AIO, and on top of Werkstatt Prime.



And, they alll look the same to me. They look the same to me as when I had 1000P on top of Prime and AJT - thicker looking clearcoat with a pinkish tinge, dull and plasticky looking. I don't know how do describe it any better, but I kept imaginging that this is what it would look like if Vaseline had a sealant.



After buying mostly OTC products (other than Klasse), FK and Werkstatts products were my first two purchases after doing some research on Autopia. I liked the look of Werkstatts immediately - wet, shiny and bright. I find myself trying to like 1000P. But, I'm not happy with the way it looks. It's not for me.



Another thing I found interesting about 1000P is that it's also sold as Mold Release. FK sent me the wrong one initially - the Mold Release in a gold can, part number 1000. After sending me the one in a white can with a shark on it, Leda told me (and guaranteed) that they were the same thing. Comparing the two, they indeed look and smell the same.



I had to look up what a mold release was. It's a lubricant that goes inside a mold wall to help release the contents easier. When you're making candles, you would apply this inside the wall of the candle mold, so the candles would slip out easily.



So, that was a little weird. Is it common for companies to sell mold release as a car sealant in a different can? Are they interchangeable? I can understand the slickness and durability being important for a such a product, but I'm sure the appearance is not.



In any case, I like the look of 1000P on my wheels. And should I ever need a lubricant for a candle mold, I'll know exactly where to get it.

 

[Dsoto87]

Yea like I said, theres no garuntee youll like the look, but atleast you tried and ruled out any other possibilities.



What looks good for some may not look good for others.



I dont get why your seeing a pinkish tinge though when 1000p is yellow/whitish

 

[Rob Tomlin]

Yea like I said, theres no garuntee youll like the look, but atleast you tried and ruled out any other possibilities.



What looks good for some may not look good for others.

Right.



Nothing wrong with sticking with Werkstat, especially on a color like white!

 

[imported_Bence]

The pink hue is VERY wierd, and I've never seen that before (and I'm using 1000P quite extensively). I can see hue variances quite clearly, but pink...



Although your 4Runner has a color 1000P doesn't like to play with. There are certain colors where it can look sorta dull (shiny, but the overall appearance is unexcitingly dull).



Try it on different colors too, to see how it cooperates with those shades.

 

[Alfisti]

I kept imagining that this is what it would look like if Vaseline had a sealant.

I love this line...not because I agree (haven't tried 1000P)...but very graphic imagery! :2thumbs:

So, that was a little weird. Is it common for companies to sell mold release as a car sealant in a different can? Are they interchangeable?

Check out Meguiars.

 

[BobW]

I started over on my white 4Runner, in part, so I can see 1000P on its own. I applied 1000P on 3 different panels in 3 different ways - by itself, on top of Klasse AIO, and on top of Werkstatt Prime.



And, they alll look the same to me. They look the same to me as when I had 1000P on top of Prime and AJT - thicker looking clearcoat with a pinkish tinge, dull and plasticky looking. I don't know how do describe it any better, but I kept imaginging that this is what it would look like if Vaseline had a sealant.



After buying mostly OTC products (other than Klasse), FK and Werkstatts products were my first two purchases after doing some research on Autopia. I liked the look of Werkstatts immediately - wet, shiny and bright. I find myself trying to like 1000P. But, I'm not happy with the way it looks. It's not for me.



Another thing I found interesting about 1000P is that it's also sold as Mold Release. FK sent me the wrong one initially - the Mold Release in a gold can, part number 1000. After sending me the one in a white can with a shark on it, Leda told me (and guaranteed) that they were the same thing. Comparing the two, they indeed look and smell the same.



I had to look up what a mold release was. It's a lubricant that goes inside a mold wall to help release the contents easier. When you're making candles, you would apply this inside the wall of the candle mold, so the candles would slip out easily.



So, that was a little weird. Is it common for companies to sell mold release as a car sealant in a different can? Are they interchangeable? I can understand the slickness and durability being important for a such a product, but I'm sure the appearance is not.



In any case, I like the look of 1000P on my wheels. And should I ever need a lubricant for a candle mold, I'll know exactly where to get it.

It's not suprising that FK "waxes" are also excellent as mold-release compounds. Some of Collinite's products were actually developed for other applications (other than automotive) eg...Insulator wax for the electric utility industry.



Have you tried Zaino Z2? It might be just what you're looking for. I would recommend using ZPC > Z2. Then you can layer it to give you more depth.

 

[bosco381]

The pink hue is VERY wierd, and I've never seen that before (and I'm using 1000P quite extensively). I can see hue variances quite clearly, but pink...



Although your 4Runner has a color 1000P doesn't like to play with. There are certain colors where it can look sorta dull (shiny, but the overall appearance is unexcitingly dull).



Try it on different colors too, to see how it cooperates with those shades.

You know, Bence, your posts were one of the main reasons why I tried 1000P. So, it's all your fault!



JK... I enjoy the research and trying out new products as much as I like clean cars. I'm ready to accept that it's not the right product for me and my white 4Runner, which is all the more reason why I should try another product.



We have two white cars. Can't try it on another color, unless I offer to wash my neighbor's grey Honda. But, he's annoying.

 

[bosco381]

It's not suprising that FK "waxes" are also excellent as mold-release compounds. Some of Collinite's products were actually developed for other applications (other than automotive) eg...Insulator wax for the electric utility industry.



Have you tried Zaino Z2? It might be just what you're looking for. I would recommend using ZPC > Z2. Then you can layer it to give you more depth.

I haven't tried any of the Zaino products except their Leather in a Bottle.



I'm afraid to try their products. They seem so.... complex and high tech.



I'm sure I'm slowly making my way toward trying it out one day, though. I'll just have to enjoy my pre-Zaino days a little while longer.

 

[BobW]

I haven't tried any of the Zaino products except their Leather in a Bottle.



I'm afraid to try their products. They seem so.... complex and high tech.



I'm sure I'm slowly making my way toward trying it out one day, though. I'll just have to enjoy my pre-Zaino days a little while longer.

I know what you mean, but don't be afraid to try Z-2 and ZPC (or any of their products). Use the ZPC as you would a polish or glaze (by hand or machine) and then apply the Z-2 as you would any other sealant. The only thing out of the ordinary/complex is if you want to add the ZFX cure-time accelerator. 4 or 5 drops in an ounce of Z-2 and have fun. You can probably do your car two or three times. The Z-2 is incredibly easy to remove when used with the ZFX additive.



You don't really have to use the ZFX though, just make sure you have a nice pretty day (not cold or humid) and apply the Z-2 without the accelerator....takes longer to dry is all. Same great finish and durability.



BTW...I haven't used Leather in a Bottle. How do you like it?

 

[nosbusa1700]

bosco381, for white try Duragloss 501, followed by 105. You can usually buy it at Carquest. This was recommended by someone at another forum. I tried this many months ago, and I really liked the look.

 

[bosco381]

bosco381, for white try Duragloss 501, followed by 105. You can usually buy it at Carquest. This was recommended by someone at another forum. I tried this many months ago, and I really liked the look.

Yes, I've been trying to buy that pair. Also Aquawax. The first Carquest I went to was out of business, and the second had just closed. S/H charges probably would've been less than the cost of gas I wasted. I'll get my hands on those one of these days.

 

[nosbusa1700]

Yes, I've been trying to buy that pair. Also Aquawax. The first Carquest I went to was out of business, and the second had just closed. S/H charges probably would've been less than the cost of gas I wasted. I'll get my hands on those one of these days.

LOL, I know how that feels. I went from store to store a month ago looking for some products.. Didn't find what I was looking for, and should've ordered on line in the first place.



In my experience a lot of the stock of Carquest, Napa, and a few other stores are really, really old. Always double check before you buy.



When you get ready. You could always order directly from Duragloss. Shipping is a flat $5.00.



I would recommend DG 501, 105, FC&S, and AW. #253 Is a great tire dressing as well.

 

[bosco381]

BTW...I haven't used Leather in a Bottle. How do you like it?

I liked it. It left the leather in a nice supple condition. It didn't have that musky heavy smell of Lexol. The smell was lighter - reminded me of something clinical. But not in a negative way.