Nick’s unsolicited Zaino tips and tricks

No need for syringes or accurate measuring! ZFX comes in a tiny (maybe 2ml) bottle along with four 2 ounce mixing bottles. Fill the mixing bottle half full with Z-2, squeeze four drops of ZFX out of its tiny bottle, shake well, and you're set to go. It's about as difficult as breathing.
 
Nick T. said:
I strongly recommend getting both 3M SMR and 3M IHG. SMR has some abrasives and will round the edges (or completely remove) of the swirls - reducing the refraction of light. IHG has fillers and oils - the filler will hide the marring, but the oils must be removed before topping with Zaino. Use a mild wash so as to not remove the filler. IHG is a good topper for SMR - increases the gloss. IHG must be topped with Zaino (or a carnauba) or it will quickly disappear since it is not UV resistant.



Does P21S Gepc do the same as IHG?
 
Bruce - -

GEPC has a very mild abrasive, fillers, and a lot of oils. IHG is non-abrasive, has fillers and oils.



GEPC is kind of like a mix of SMR and IHG. If used as a top coat it has great shine.



My personal preference is to use SMR to round the edges of the marring and then fill with IHG.
 
It's really not that big of a deal, don't get frustrated. It can seem a little overwhelming at first, but if you will take the time to read this board, and learn from these folks, it really is pretty easy. I use the Zaino and have for several years. It looks good, last a long time, and very easy to maintain. I got to where I enjoy using the product because of the fantastic results in a short amount of time. I have a F350 BLACK crew cab. I can get it done in a couple of hours. Matter of fact, it takes me less time to use Zaino than to wash the truck. llbts1 in Aledo
 
Nick T. said:
Bruce - -

GEPC has a very mild abrasive, fillers, and a lot of oils. IHG is non-abrasive, has fillers and oils.



GEPC is kind of like a mix of SMR and IHG. If used as a top coat it has great shine.



My personal preference is to use SMR to round the edges of the marring and then fill with IHG.



Would it be safe to say GEPC would strip Z while filling micro marrs?

Bruce
 
> Would it be safe to say GEPC would strip Z while filling micro marrs?



My assumption is yes, but I don't know of any way of checking. GEPC is only slightly abrasive. A few weeks ago I put some test scratches on my bumper and played with SMR, GEPC, and IHG. Inspected the scratches with a 10X and 14X loupe during the rub out. It took quite a bit of rubbing to effectively round the edges of the scratches.



My preferred method now for spot repairs is to use only IHG on very fine marring, SMR topped with IHG for deeper stuff. I don’t know if I’ve said it in this thread or not, but IHG is not UV resistant and must be topped with Zaino or carnauba, or it will soon dissipate.
 
Nick T. said:
> Would it be safe to say GEPC would strip Z while filling micro marrs?







My preferred method now for spot repairs is to use only IHG on very fine marring, SMR topped with IHG for deeper stuff. .



I am trying IHG on top of Z now to hide the marring. You are not suggesting that IHG would remove Z are you?

Bruce
 
As far as I know there are only two ways to remove Zaino, buff it off with an abrasive or disolve it with a chemical such as isopropyl alcohol. IHG doesn't appear to have either abrasives nor alcohol.



I'm sure that there are other chemicals that will remove Zaino, but I don't know what they are. You could ask a few body shops what they use to remove polymer sealants to prep for painting, then check 3M's web site's Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for IHG.
 
FWIW, here is what I have done so far, in case anyone is interested and/or has the same questions I did. I also spoke to the Zaino folks. As an aside, to the folks that think it is hard or confusing...Zaino is so easy...put a few drops of ZFX, shake it up, ready to go. Literally if you can't figure it out, give the DMV your license ;). I think it is easier than anything else I've used. There aren't a lot of products out there where I could wash & apply 3 coats (plus 3 of Z6 in between) in just 2 hrs.



1) Washed with Dawn, twice, just to be sure.



2) Dried car using the virtually touchless system where you dry with water as shown on this site.



3) Patted dry with 100% cotton towel (not wipe), because my microfiber weave towel didn't arrive in time. I plan to only use microfiber when it arrives.



4) Drove around the block (city block, so no worries of dirt road or whatever).



5) Patted dry with towel (again, never wiped).



NOTE: I skipped the clay bar because I have used about 4 months ago, and although my car is driven daily, I have a garage on both ends of commute.



6) Examined every panel closely, applying MeGuire's Scratch-X where ever appropriate, using foam applicator pad and microfiber buffing.



6) Went over most of the car with 3M Finish It Swirl Mark Remover. I started to apply this with a foam pad, but it just wasn't working well for me, since you sort of rub it in until it is gone sort of thing. So I switched to using a microfiber towel to apply/buff off. Worked great.



7) Repeated (6) as necessary, paying special attention to those lovely curved hips on her, since they really catch the light and show off any microscratches. As the Zaino guys said, the better the paint is before Zaino starts, the better it can do it's work. Parts of the car had 2-3 coats of 3M FI SMR.



8) Went back over car with microfiber to make sure i got all the Scratch-X & FI SMR off.



9) Washed with Dawn again. (Now reading this post, not sure if i should have done that part or not).



10) Dried with water.



11) Patted dry.



12) Drove around block.



13) Patted dry.



14) Applied Zaino Z5 with ZFX additive. Shook for a few minutes, applied with their applicator. I'm not sure, given my love of microfiber now, this is the best tool. It is good, but not sure the best. (Post note: I have been trying foam applicators with good luck...any thoughts here?)



15) Buffed off the Z5 with microfiber.



16) Applied Z6 gloss enhancer with microfiber.



17) Repeated Z5, Z6, Z5, then ran out of light and temperature cooled off. My experience is Z6 is hard to be sure to buff off completely under those circumstances.



18) Let her sit overnight (well, did take her out Sat night).



19) (Next morning) Wash with Z7.



20) Dry with water, pat dry, drive around block, pat dry.



21) Applied Z2 with ZFX additive, again using (different) Zaino applicator.



22) Buffed off Z2.



23) Applied Z6.



24) Repeated: Z2, Z6, Z2, Z6



25) Did about 4 laps around car looking for any bit of anything I missed.



26) Repeated 19-25 next couple of weekends



So, I now have a swirl mark removed, 14 coats of Zaino midnight blue metallic Porsche 911...yum.



EDIT: Now it is 19 coats, and I threw in a coat of Z5...seemed to make it pop again...anyone else find same effect?



Time for a cold one. Any spots you guys would suggest to improve?



And one more comment...I'm now down to using only up to the (1) mark on the bottle to do an entire coat. So a half mixing bottle for me does 4-5 coats. Of course, I have no top. :cool:



EDIT: Now I use the syringe, and use 6 ml per coat, but about to shift down to 5 again.



:xyxthumbs
 
jnstella said:
9) Washed with Dawn again. (Now reading this post, not sure if i should have done that part or not).



14) Applied Zaino Z5 with ZFX additive. Shook for a few minutes, applied with their applicator. I'm not sure, given my love of microfiber now, this is the best tool. It is good, but not sure the best. (Post note: I have been trying foam applicators with good luck...any thoughts here?)



Time for a cold one. Any spots you guys would suggest to improve?
It sounds to me as though you did a first-rate job on your cabrio! :xyxthumbs



IMO a microfiber applicator is the way to go. I mark one side with a permanent sharpie and use only that side for 3 or 4 times, washing after each use and storing slightly damp in a Zip-Lok.

After the first side in done its cycle I add a second mark to the same side and use only the unmarked side for the next 3 or 4 time, and then it goes into the trash.



You might want to try a layer of Z-5 every fifth or sixth time on top of the Z-2. I seems to add depth to the Zaino.



Remember to never drive with the top up! If it’s cold, wear more clothes! If it’s raining, drive faster! Always wave at other roadsters!
 
All polymers (so far as I know) are prone to micro-marring. Klasse and BF2 just don't show it as much as Zaino due to their oil content.



Getting that "perfect shine" is not a matter of what products you use, nor from how many layer you apply, it comes from have a "perfect base" for that product. Technique and following the appropriate steps is the answer.



Since Zaino is so easily marred it's very important to use clean applicators and buffing cloths. It's equally important to use very light pressure on the pads and cloths.



I prefer white MF towels and check them very frequently for debris pickup.



If there is a spot that is difficult to buff off, resist the urge to use more pressure! You're not doing a Karate Kid routine. Continue buffing lightly and maybe add a spritz of QD or water to help out.



No matter how careful you are there is going to be some micro-marring. Use IHG to deal with it, wipe off the oils using a QD, and top with a protective layer of Zaino. When you start doing this you'll probably see the marring partially reappear after wiping with the QD. That's because the oils were hiding it. Just rub on some more IHG and check again. IHG is not a "magic product", but it is the best that I've found for filling micro-marring on a spot basis. IHG is not UV resistant, so it must be topped with a protective layer or it will soon disappear.
 
I'm hoping that I can get 2 coats out of 1oz of Z5 with ZFX. My question is can I apply the 3rd coat of Z5 without ZFX that day?



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17) Repeated Z5, Z6, Z5, then ran out of light and temperature cooled off. My experience is Z6 is hard to be sure to buff off completely under those circumstances.



18) Let her sit overnight (well, did take her out Sat night).



19) (Next morning) Wash with Z7.



20) Dry with water, pat dry, drive around block, pat dry.



21) Applied Z2 with ZFX additive, again using (different) Zaino applicator.



jnstella, it looks like you didn't wait 24 hours before applying Z2, have you noticed any problems?

I'd like to put 6 coats during one weekend but I'm afraid that with all the prep work I usually do I may run out of time.
 
Yeah, I suppose I should have waited, actually. No, no problems. I probably gave it 14-18 hours...likely close enough.



Normally if I'm doing a 6 coat weekend, it will get about 20 hours, but not usually 24.



I'm up to 14 coats now, plan on slowing down somewhere between 20-25, at least until daylight starts getting longer and I can put some coats on in the am or pm before or after work. Then I might see if I can get it up to like 30+ coats, not sure.
 
jnstella said:


9) Washed with Dawn again. (Now reading this post, not sure if i should have done that part or not).




I'm planning to apply SMR but wondering if this part is ok to do?

Does Dawn remove all filler or SMR?
 
When you do step 9) the car doesn’t have any adhered dirt, only a little polishing/filling residue and oils, so Dawn is overkill! I think, but don’t know from experimenting, that Dawn will strip a lot of the fillers.



What I do when doing spot repairs is spray with a mild carwash solution after polishing and filling, wipe down, spray with distilled water, wipe down, spray with Z-6, and wipe down one last time, then top with Z-1 and Z-5. My normal Z-7 mix is 0.5 to 1.5 ounces per gallon of water, for my spray bottle I use a few drops Z-7 to 16 oz of distilled water. Works well for me!



Note: Mixing ratios corrected thanks to jnstella.
 
Nick,

3-4 ounces of z7 per gallon of water? I'm assuming something converted wrong here? It comes in a 16 oz bottle, so if you filled a 5 gallon bucket are you saying you would use the whole bottle of z7 (3-4 oz/gal * 5 gal = 15-20 oz of Z7)?



I use about 1/2 or 1 capful per about 3-4 gallons, but then my car is never very dirty.



Thoughts?
 
jnstella said:
Thoughts?
Thank you for catching my boo-boo! I have no idea where my brain was when I posted that, but it certainly wasn’t engaged. Who knows what I was mixing in my head when I typed that? <IMG SRC=http://home.jps.net/~ntaylor/images/confused.gif>



It should have said, “My normal Z-7 mix is 0.5 to 1.5 ounces per gallon of water, for my spray bottle I use a few drops Z-7 to 16 oz of distilled water.�
 
Lol.

By the way, for what it is worth, that still seems like a lot of soap? I use probably .5 oz or less for 3-4 gallons...just a bit...keeps everything lubricated, but since it really isn't dirty, I'm not using too much. But at the end of the day, whatever works, right??!!



Thanks for your tips, Nick...I'll give the MF applicator a try...:xyxthumbs
 
Sorry to bring this back, but I've been ing some searching, and this has been really helpfull. I have used Zaino for a year, doing it, well, not as well as I should have. I am stripping it and starting over. I will for the most part be fallowing your suggestions, simple because, I too will have ALOT of time on my hands this summer, and the car is retty much a garage queen. Here we go. First, I was planning on stripping the 35+coats of Zaino off of my car, using Isoprpyl Alcohol. Next, will come a wash, using meguires gold class (I try to use as much stuff I can get from local places). Next will come a Mothers Claybar treatment. Here comes question number one: My car does not, and has never had any really heavy swirl marks or scratches, would you still suggest the 3M SMR? the car is white too by te way. I was planning on getting the 3M IHG too, for the VERY fine scratches I have. I will then do another light wash with the gold class. Here comes question number 2: I do not use ZFX, I use Z1 still. Would It be a good Idea to still put down the the Z1 over the IHG and or SMR base after the wash? I then know the process of Zaino pretty well, but I REALLY want a good base to start offwith this time. The car is a 1994 Trans Am GT, with 23K miles on it, White. If you can find any problems, or any suggstions, please feel free to help me out. Thanks a bunch!
 
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