New painted panels are cloudy, hazy with certain light, help! pics inside

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Big Turkey

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I recently got some panels on my car painted black. When I picked the car up, it looked beautiful. After the first wash I noticed that when I pulled it into direct sunlight, and only at an angle where the sun is behind me, I noticed swirls, cloudiness and haziness. It's almost even a different shade of black.



I'd like to know how to fix this. I just purchased a starter kit and wolfgang's complete swirl remover kit with a Porter Cable 7424XP from autogeek.



My question is, is this fixable, or do I have to get this repainted?



Thanks for looking.



Here is a shot of the rear quarter panel. Looks fine except a few swirls, no biggie.



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Same panel, up close:



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Now from this angle.. you can see the problem.



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Front Fender, it looks good at this angle:



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Same discoloration:



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Any advice would be great, thanks everyone.
 
Most body shops will leave you with complimentary swirl marks so what you have there is not a surprise. It sux but it looks like you need to hit the panels with some polish, good luck it is fixable.
 
You should never just repaint panels on a car. You need to blend the color into the surrounding panels. It looks like you took the car to the 'lowest bidder' and got what you paid for. The color isn't even correct and they clearly did no blending.
 
It's standard for no blending on non-metallic black paint. No insurance companies will write a blend on an estimate for non-metallic black as it's not needed. Most collision shops won't ask for that blend either.



I agree with what was said before. Looks like some swirls and holograms, just needs a little attention and it'll be good as new
 
Thanks for the other advice, I just wanted to know it was fixable for sure before I spend a few days trying to buff it out.



The paint has a lifetime warranty and the shop guarantees their work.. it definitely wasn't the "lowest bidder". They even told me they normally do blending on the adjacent panel but since the car was not available at the time, I gave them the panels only and the gas cap to match the paint. The place I took it to is known for show car corvettes and they do quality work that I have seen.. I have no doubt in their skill, my question is, is it fixable or do I have to get it repainted.



Thanks.
 
The same thing happened to my pontiac G6 with the rear bumper. My theroy is they shot to much clear coat making it seem milky under cirtain lighting conditions, then again its just a theroy.
 
MR Detail Shop said:
Most body shops will leave you with complimentary swirl marks so what you have there is not a surprise. It sux but it looks like you need to hit the panels with some polish, good luck it is fixable.
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MR, would the Wolfgang Twins pack with the deep gloss sealant be sufficient? What is white and sip? I'm not down with the lingo quite yet haha.



I just ordered the twins pack w/sealant after overloading myself on info here on the forums to tackle this job, but if it isn't strong enough then recommendations would be great :)
 
I'm not familiar wit the wolfgang twins, what kind of product is the "twins"? The sealant is a great product as an lsp but will not do anything for the holograms and buffer trails. Do you have a pc or rotary?



White and sip is refering to the white polishing pad and super intensive polish by menzerna. Which is a very good suggestion. But you will need either a pc, da or rotary along with medium to fine polish pending on the type of pad you will be using.
 
Oops, I accidentally posted the link I was looking at in my last post so it didn't go through.



I purchased a PC7424XP with the starter pad kit that comes with a variety of blue, white, orange and grey pads. I also purchased Wolfgang's Total Swirl Remover and Finishing Glaze with the deep gloss sealant.
 
Irkie 500, Unfortunatley bumper differences are a part of the refinish buisness that I hate.Even from oem there are noticable color differences. Paint comapnies are sending out bulletins about just that problem. I helped a painter on thrsday do a white prl. on a rear clip of a Lexus (repaint the bumper, deck lid, and blend the qtrs.) Even after painting the bumper on the car and blending the qtrs, you could still see a color shift from metal to the plastic.
 
I have never had any issues with mismatch colors on my black cars. The reason I choose black for almost all my cars is because they are extremely easy to match, without having to respray or blend-in other panels.



Frankly, I am extremely picky about the conditions of my cars, and I just cannot see any mistmatch on my black cars. On my silver car, yes I see mismatch. Even my white Infiniti has some panel mismatch between metal and urethane. However, I do not think matching black paint is all that hard, be it solid or metallic.
 
To the OP, the Wolfgang twins will work fine. Total Swirl Remover is pretty much equal to Menzerna Super Intensive Polish or SIP. Finishing Glaze isn't a glaze but actually a polish. It is also equal to Menzerna 106FA or Nano Polish. You'll be fine, start with the FG on a white pad see what it gets you, if the swirls and holograms are stilll there after doing some IPA wipedowns then step it up to an orange pad and the TSR, then after that step use the FG again. You'll be fine you can fix it, just gonna take some time and patience.
 
Big Turkey said:
Oops, I accidentally posted the link I was looking at in my last post so it didn't go through.



I purchased a PC7424XP with the starter pad kit that comes with a variety of blue, white, orange and grey pads. I also purchased Wolfgang's Total Swirl Remover and Finishing Glaze with the deep gloss sealant.
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I have never used the wolfgang products you have, but if the above post is accurate then you should be fine. Start withtehy swirl remover and move down to teh finsihing glaze and followed with the sealant. I would start with the swirl remover and the white pad and I think you'll be fine.
 
Interesting, this seems to be a newbie-popular thread... :D



However, I see much more than stray holos here and there. The mentioned panels are SEVERAL shades lighter, milkier, duller.



If this is a newly painted panel, it is not possible that the minor defects generate an illusion which is so much duller than the original paint.



Moisture can be trapped under the clear (especially under bigger decals), which can cause frightening milkiness, but a couple hours under the full sun, and the problem usually disappears.



Yes, minor paint imperfections can cause a cloudy, dull, grayish appearance, but you'll need insane amounts of tiny scratches to make a panel look milky soo homogeneously - and this is unlikely on a freshly repainted surface.
 
this is an easy fix if you have good chemicals and buffers.

I have 3 vettes , one being black.

First try sip with orange pad . If that doesnt work move to powergloss with orange pad . that will remove the defects.

You could also do the megs 105/205 then jewel it with 85 RD . This might be the best way to go . Your paint will look better than it did when it left the dealer.
 
Based on the pics, the light defects don't require the need of a heavy compound.



At the end we might have a nice surface, and a milky, way-off-color.
 
By Bence's logic, I'd do a test spot only. If it doesn't clear up, and still looks milky, then take it back to the painter. You do have the materials though to do the proper work at least.
 
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