New Megs hybrid ceramic wax.
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Don
Darth Camaro 12/27/15
I watched your video and it`s one of the main reasons I really want to try HCW.
rlmccarty2000
Active member
Is it just me or is the beading not too impressive especially when compared to Hydro2? In the video the wheels didn’t even look protected.
That`s what I was thinking. In another video of a hood test with this product the beading look really good but I agree, I didn`t even really notice a difference on the wheels. I have a full gallon of Hydro Blue but still wanted to give this a try but reviewers seem to be having a mixed experience according to what I am seeing in their videos.
The Guz
Mike
You are not the only one to not be impressed. The beading in Apex Detailing`s video looked rather unimpressive. Loach aka Wax Mode shows it well.
Here are a couple more videos and it does not look to promising for this product. At least in my eyes.
Even Jimbo got this one right lol
Loach
New member
I pulled everything out today with the pressure washer for more testing: HCW, Sonax Spray + Seal, Wet Coat, Hydro2 (1:6), Hydro Blue, Hydrosilex Recharge. HCW is the second weakest performing as a pure spray and rinse on a hydrophilic (ultra flat) water sheet. HCW is the best performing and yields the most hydrophobic surface out of all of them when sprayed on a hydrophilic sheet wet and wiped in with the microfiber (same as in my video), so like you would use as a drying aid, then rinsed immediately. We`re talking near BSD level beading and sheeting. Paint was prepped between uses with Meguiar`s Wash+, undiluted and heavily worked in to produce a hydrophilic sheet before testing each stage. Recharge is V1, I actually think this bottle may have gone bad, I remember it performing a lot better during my initial testing, it`s about 11 months old and had some pink gunk that`s attached itself all over the outside of the inner sprayer tube.
Below are the categories that I ranked from 1-6 (best to worst). Bolds are highlighted for the ties. (*) designates winner/loser by a long shot.
Spray Wet and Rinse off Wet:
1. Sonax Spray + Seal
2. Hydro2 (1:6)
2. Hydro Blue
2. Wet Coat
5. HCW (*)
6. Recharge (*)
Spray Wet and Wipe in Wet, Rinse:
1. HCW (*)
2. Sonax Spray + Seal
3. Hydro2
3. Hydro Blue
3. Wet Coat
6. Recharge
Spray Dry and Wipe in Dry, Rinse:
1. HCW (*)
2. Sonax Spray + Rinse
2. Hydro Blue
2. Hydro2
2. Wet Coat
6. Recharge
Peak Hydrophobic Performance:
1. HCW (*)
2. Sonax Spray + Seal
2. Hydro2
2. Wet Coat
2. Hydro Blue
6. Recharge
Wipe on Wipe off Dry (ease of application):
1. Recharge
2. HCW
3. Wet Coat
3. Hydro Blue
5. Hydro 2
6. Sonax Spray + Seal (*)
I saw Brian`s video on the wheel and I would agree this unfortunately may be typical on a completely unprotected surface when HCW isn`t first wiped in to build the foundation layer. Dan Dan`s video I`m guessing has more to do with the surface not being polished enough to accept a good bond, which he could get with a wide variety of products and not just HCW. That could end up being a major problem for regular consumers though, my video with BSD highlighted this concept of the drastic difference in performance between BSD applied on a polished surface vs. a surface that was just clayed, neither of which most HCW users are going to end up doing prior to using it. Now I need to test once we have the foundation layer, how truly effective is the bond when sprayed and rinse wet without wiping with HCW during maintenance top ups? I need to wait longer for the test spot to diminish to test this further.
More testing to come, I think by themselves all of the other spray and rinse sealants are really close in overall performance with the exception of this bottle of Recharge.
Below are the categories that I ranked from 1-6 (best to worst). Bolds are highlighted for the ties. (*) designates winner/loser by a long shot.
Spray Wet and Rinse off Wet:
1. Sonax Spray + Seal
2. Hydro2 (1:6)
2. Hydro Blue
2. Wet Coat
5. HCW (*)
6. Recharge (*)
Spray Wet and Wipe in Wet, Rinse:
1. HCW (*)
2. Sonax Spray + Seal
3. Hydro2
3. Hydro Blue
3. Wet Coat
6. Recharge
Spray Dry and Wipe in Dry, Rinse:
1. HCW (*)
2. Sonax Spray + Rinse
2. Hydro Blue
2. Hydro2
2. Wet Coat
6. Recharge
Peak Hydrophobic Performance:
1. HCW (*)
2. Sonax Spray + Seal
2. Hydro2
2. Wet Coat
2. Hydro Blue
6. Recharge
Wipe on Wipe off Dry (ease of application):
1. Recharge
2. HCW
3. Wet Coat
3. Hydro Blue
5. Hydro 2
6. Sonax Spray + Seal (*)
I saw Brian`s video on the wheel and I would agree this unfortunately may be typical on a completely unprotected surface when HCW isn`t first wiped in to build the foundation layer. Dan Dan`s video I`m guessing has more to do with the surface not being polished enough to accept a good bond, which he could get with a wide variety of products and not just HCW. That could end up being a major problem for regular consumers though, my video with BSD highlighted this concept of the drastic difference in performance between BSD applied on a polished surface vs. a surface that was just clayed, neither of which most HCW users are going to end up doing prior to using it. Now I need to test once we have the foundation layer, how truly effective is the bond when sprayed and rinse wet without wiping with HCW during maintenance top ups? I need to wait longer for the test spot to diminish to test this further.
More testing to come, I think by themselves all of the other spray and rinse sealants are really close in overall performance with the exception of this bottle of Recharge.
rlmccarty2000
Active member
Ok so it needs to be buffed on for the first coat, then sprayed on for the next coat/layer and it does not hold up to a degreaser. Well at least it’s cheap and sheets instead of beads. Really can’t say I’m running out to buy this product. I can see Megs discontinuing this one fairly quickly as it is not easier than applying a wax. If it was just a spray and rinse like Hydro2 it would do better, imho. Any side by side product comparison videos out yet?
The Guz
Mike
I know I won’t be looking to get this product. It’s a good start for Meguiar’s. Let’s see how the new Morhers spray coating does as Forrest has mentioned it to be a true coating.
Accumulator
Well-known member
Wonder if "Ceramic" will become the next "Teflon" 
rlmccarty2000
Active member
Wonder if "Ceramic" will become the next "Teflon"
Ceramic or SiO2 has become the new Teflon type(hype?) buzzword. I’ve yet to figure out how less than 5% SiO2 really does much of anything. I still think the polymers matter much more. I can understand it in coatings, but not in a spray topper.
Loach
New member
I should have a video released soon(not today) of the test above with all the other spray and rinses. It doesn’t seem like it needs a lot of wiping in on the first pass for HCW to really perform as long as the paint’s in decent shape but the difference is night and day, this absolutely needs to be applied with some physical pressure with a towel or applicator pad on the first use. Could have something to do with them trying to avoid the streaking nightmares a lot of people have seen from the other spray and rinse products, but it opens the door for another over the counter company to release something that performs much better completely touchless from the start if they can avoid streaking issues.
My test yesterday with the pressure washer gave me some insane beading out of HCW after applied and wiped in wet compared to what I got out of my first video, it matched BSD level hydrophobicity - so this inconsistency is a problem for me and I’m trying to narrow it down if the pressure washer is necessary to get the best performance.
rlmccarty2000
Active member
Could it be batch problems of a new product? If you are getting BSD levels of beading and others are getting 0 beading as in the videos something somewhere has to be seriously wrong. I haven’t been over to MOL but are they aware of the disparity in beading videos circulating? Bad reviews can kill a product out of the gate and based on the videos I’ve seen I would not use it as is. You can tell from the videos the users are a little shocked by the lack of beading. No one wants to say a product is bad, it’s much more fun to pump up a good product. Looking forward to your video.
Loach
New member
After more testing, you can use this purely as a spray and rinse on a panel from the start but it doesn’t want to be loaded with water. So after building that slow hydrophilic water sheet with Meguiar’s Wash Plus, if you spray HCW on top of this sheet of water it will not bond anywhere near as effectively on the rinse, it doesn’t penetrate through like Sonax. Instead, dry the water sheet off and then spray this on dry, then rinse without wiping in and the bond is much more effective compared to a fully wet panel. I tried to hammer HCW with Klean Strip Prep-All and after two heavy wipedowns it knocked down the aggressive beading (not hydrophilic), sprayed HCW back on top when wet and rinsed with water without wiping and the performance was back to top notch. This tells me it’s a capable spray and rinse under certain conditions.
Meguiar’s instructions are pretty spot on, they recognize the potential lack in performance for the product to bond effectively if used as a spray and rinse on the first go around, additional uses once the strong base is on the paint is very acceptable as a spray and rinse. Applying and wiping in dry and then rinsing, or applying after most of the water has been sheeted off the paint and then used as a drying aid, is the best way to get the first initial bond.
The more I use this stuff the more I like it, I love that it has a higher hydrophobic potential compared to every other spray and rinse, it’s definitely the most aggressive beading and fastest sheeting LSP in Meguiar’s lineup. Some weaknesses to note but it’s a capable spray and rinse, and an exceptional wipe in wet sealer that can be done quickly, that happens to also be usable as a fully spray on wipe in dry product unlike Sonax. Just need to document pure durability now.
Meguiar’s instructions are pretty spot on, they recognize the potential lack in performance for the product to bond effectively if used as a spray and rinse on the first go around, additional uses once the strong base is on the paint is very acceptable as a spray and rinse. Applying and wiping in dry and then rinsing, or applying after most of the water has been sheeted off the paint and then used as a drying aid, is the best way to get the first initial bond.
The more I use this stuff the more I like it, I love that it has a higher hydrophobic potential compared to every other spray and rinse, it’s definitely the most aggressive beading and fastest sheeting LSP in Meguiar’s lineup. Some weaknesses to note but it’s a capable spray and rinse, and an exceptional wipe in wet sealer that can be done quickly, that happens to also be usable as a fully spray on wipe in dry product unlike Sonax. Just need to document pure durability now.
The Guz
Mike
Markus of Meguiar`s posted this on one of Apex Detailing`s video.
Markus Kleis, Meguiar`s Professional Product Manager here, thought I would comment and add a little clarity for the folks who love to know the intricate details about products. First, thanks to Brian from @apex detail for taking the time to put this video together - very cool!
Since this product is VERY new (only been available for a few weeks), and is very unique compared to not only the rest of our lineup or products, but also unique compared to other "similarly applied" products, I thought it would be good to add a few tidbits of background info. For one, although we call the product "Hybrid Ceramic Wax," this product is actually a sealant infused with an extremely high level of sio2-based material. We call it a "hybrid wax" because in the consumer market "wax" resonates with more people, but we used "hybrid" to clarify that it is a blend and not to be compared with a traditionally applied ceramic coating.
Speaking of the application method, I would like to add that if you look closely at the rear label it actually calls for a "wax as you dry" application method for the first use to establish a solid base coat, and then the "spray on, rinse off" method can be used for subsequent coats. This product layers exceptionally well, both with itself and above or below other forms or protection, including traditional waxes and sealants (it also acts as a phenomenal topper for ceramic coated surfaces!). Because of the nano-particles, this product greatly prefers either a properly prepped level surface for maximum performance. As for the reason for the rinsing application method, this is actually designed to spray a very thin and even layer of product across the surface. You will find that this product is intentionally designed to spread incredibly easily and efficiently with a strong stream of water. The reason for the suggested "strong stream" is that it does a better job of spreading out a thinner, more even layer of product (but if you use a garden hose you can still make up for the lack of pressure during the drying process as this will also help to spread an even layer of product).
Lastly, in terms of durability, I am not sure what methods were used to determine a 2-4 month timeline (maybe using "similar" competitive products?), but in my own testing we have found this product to last a very solid 6+ months on a neglected car that is rarely washed or touched with anything. As always, mileage will vary based on how you apply it, what you apply it on, how you maintain it, etc, but expect 2-6 months very consistently when properly applied.
That said, I personally use this as my drying aide every time I wash anything because it is incredibly slick, goes on all surfaces (trim, paint, plastics, rubber, and even glass) and just plain easy to use. Any other questions? Let me know... I will do my best to check back in and answer them. Thanks again for the cool video!
Markus Kleis, Meguiar`s Professional Product Manager here, thought I would comment and add a little clarity for the folks who love to know the intricate details about products. First, thanks to Brian from @apex detail for taking the time to put this video together - very cool!
Since this product is VERY new (only been available for a few weeks), and is very unique compared to not only the rest of our lineup or products, but also unique compared to other "similarly applied" products, I thought it would be good to add a few tidbits of background info. For one, although we call the product "Hybrid Ceramic Wax," this product is actually a sealant infused with an extremely high level of sio2-based material. We call it a "hybrid wax" because in the consumer market "wax" resonates with more people, but we used "hybrid" to clarify that it is a blend and not to be compared with a traditionally applied ceramic coating.
Speaking of the application method, I would like to add that if you look closely at the rear label it actually calls for a "wax as you dry" application method for the first use to establish a solid base coat, and then the "spray on, rinse off" method can be used for subsequent coats. This product layers exceptionally well, both with itself and above or below other forms or protection, including traditional waxes and sealants (it also acts as a phenomenal topper for ceramic coated surfaces!). Because of the nano-particles, this product greatly prefers either a properly prepped level surface for maximum performance. As for the reason for the rinsing application method, this is actually designed to spray a very thin and even layer of product across the surface. You will find that this product is intentionally designed to spread incredibly easily and efficiently with a strong stream of water. The reason for the suggested "strong stream" is that it does a better job of spreading out a thinner, more even layer of product (but if you use a garden hose you can still make up for the lack of pressure during the drying process as this will also help to spread an even layer of product).
Lastly, in terms of durability, I am not sure what methods were used to determine a 2-4 month timeline (maybe using "similar" competitive products?), but in my own testing we have found this product to last a very solid 6+ months on a neglected car that is rarely washed or touched with anything. As always, mileage will vary based on how you apply it, what you apply it on, how you maintain it, etc, but expect 2-6 months very consistently when properly applied.
That said, I personally use this as my drying aide every time I wash anything because it is incredibly slick, goes on all surfaces (trim, paint, plastics, rubber, and even glass) and just plain easy to use. Any other questions? Let me know... I will do my best to check back in and answer them. Thanks again for the cool video!
I got my bottle on the 5th, and I believe I applied it to my hood on the 6th? It’s winter here so the waters turned off, so I just washed my hood with ONR, dried the panel, and then sorted HCW into a damp towel and spread it out, and dried it.
My car hasn’t been washed since then, and it’s still behaving pretty well when it rains. I went outside and snapped a couple pictures of the beading in the rain. Keep in mind it’s been through roughly 1300 miles of commuting in this time and been driven through rain at least half a dozen times. All things considered it seems to be holding up really well.
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My car hasn’t been washed since then, and it’s still behaving pretty well when it rains. I went outside and snapped a couple pictures of the beading in the rain. Keep in mind it’s been through roughly 1300 miles of commuting in this time and been driven through rain at least half a dozen times. All things considered it seems to be holding up really well.
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I got my bottle on the 5th, and I believe I applied it to my hood on the 6th? It’s winter here so the waters turned off, so I just washed my hood with ONR, dried the panel, and then sorted HCW into a damp towel and spread it out, and dried it.
My car hasn’t been washed since then, and it’s still behaving pretty well when it rains. I went outside and snapped a couple pictures of the beading in the rain. Keep in mind it’s been through roughly 1300 miles of commuting in this time and been driven through rain at least half a dozen times. All things considered it seems to be holding up really well.
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That is very impresive how it has stayed clean! What is your base protection?
rlmccarty2000
Active member
I got my bottle on the 5th, and I believe I applied it to my hood on the 6th? It’s winter here so the waters turned off, so I just washed my hood with ONR, dried the panel, and then sorted HCW into a damp towel and spread it out, and dried it.
My car hasn’t been washed since then, and it’s still behaving pretty well when it rains. I went outside and snapped a couple pictures of the beading in the rain. Keep in mind it’s been through roughly 1300 miles of commuting in this time and been driven through rain at least half a dozen times. All things considered it seems to be holding up really well.
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Now that’s good beading. I wonder why the videos show such lackluster performance? Different batches? Baffling.
imported_OneQuickGT1
New member
So it appears this can be used as drying aid with a rinseless wash?? Wonder how it would work over 1000p??
Loach
New member
Okay, the follow up video has been posted. So what I ended up doing is settling on showcasing the best performance that I`ve seen of all the other spray and rinse sealants by themselves, compared to the best performance of HCW. It didn`t matter if I sprayed them on dry, sprayed and worked them in wet, I couldn`t get any of the other products to behave more aggressively than what the clips in the video showcase. The performance of HCW when used as a spray and rinse on a surface loaded with water compared to a dry surface is a night and day difference, but look at how good Sonax is able to penetrate through the water on the surface and really excel on the initial rinse. I could have shown each test consecutively on top of the hydrophilic water sheet and done a better pure test video, but this would have made for a very long vid and I don`t think I could have talked through it all. Had to settle on a previous clip that I did 10 months ago of Recharge, this V1 bottle is definitely toast at this point it`s about a year old.