New M105 is kicking but w/ KB method

ha. As much as I have read the recent 105 KB threads, I still can't WRAP my head around diminishing vs. non diminishing abrasives. Or you can't teach a old new tricks when he's found the right products and is just refining the techniques with the current products....



I guess to each it's own, but I don't think I am ready to step into the non diminishing arena.



Granted, for a PRO detailer where time is money, this is a HUGE factor . But for my, just your weekend warrior, I'll stick with 3-4 steps and keep on refining the process....
 
chefwong- Heh heh, you sound *just* like me...especially when it comes to the M105! I resisted trying it for ages, but I gotta say that once I used it I too became a believer. Considering how fond I was/am of my previously-fave products, that's saying something.



If you ever run into a situation where your current regimen just doesn't cut it (either time/results or, well, whatever..) give the M105 a try. The different abrasives seem pretty easy to adapt oneself to.
 
chefwong said:
ha. As much as I have read the recent 105 KB threads, I still can't WRAP my head around diminishing vs. non diminishing abrasives. Or you can't teach a old new tricks when he's found the right products and is just refining the techniques with the current products....



I guess to each it's own, but I don't think I am ready to step into the non diminishing arena.



Granted, for a PRO detailer where time is money, this is a HUGE factor . But for my, just your weekend warrior, I'll stick with 3-4 steps and keep on refining the process....
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Accumulator said:
chefwong- Heh heh, you sound *just* like me...especially when it comes to the M105! I resisted trying it for ages, but I gotta say that once I used it I too became a believer. Considering how fond I was/am of my previously-fave products, that's saying something.



If you ever run into a situation where your current regimen just doesn't cut it (either time/results or, well, whatever..) give the M105 a try. The different abrasives seem pretty easy to adapt oneself to.
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I agree with Accum on the non diminishing plus of polishes/compounds like M105/205. All you have to do is vary your pressure (increase for more cut.) I am "almost" more amazed by M205 and how it finishes out with a PC then the great cut of M105. I guess starting with M105 has a lot to do with this too.
 
So this new 105 that I've been hearing about, is this the PC friendly version? I got a 32 oz bottle in January and I'm not sure if it's the new or the old.
 
Labster said:
So this new 105 that I've been hearing about, is this the PC friendly version? I got a 32 oz bottle in January and I'm not sure if it's the new or the old.
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It should have 3 pictures on the back of the bottle if the new version.



By hand

By rotary

By RO
 
Labster said:
So this new 105 that I've been hearing about, is this the PC friendly version? I got a 32 oz bottle in January and I'm not sure if it's the new or the old.
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If it is the new version, it says DA compatible on the label. If not, it is the original version. I believe the M105 label is similar to the M205 label if the new version:



M205BackLabel.jpg




Regards,



Rich
 
for pc's does it matter if you use a 4" or larger pad? other polishes work better with the smaller pad and a pc (because the pads turn faster to build heat to work down polish granules) vs 105/205 which don't need heat since it doesn't break down...
 
Latest from Kevin from another thread dated 4-5-09



Hi all...

Regarding the paper (I just sent this via PM to a guy so I thought I'd steal my own stuff and post it up)...



I am diligently working on the pictures, diagrams, and graphics. Unfortunately, an hour or two after midnight is all the time I can usually muster. Any spare time I have I spend working on these additions (even if it is 20 minutes). It shouldn't be much longer, though. Here's the reason for the holdup:



Once I finish a graphic and place it in the already written paper, I must modify the text to lead into the graphic. Since I am having the paper proofread by two people or more (via e-mail), I wait to get their feedback on the graphic, make adjustments to the wording and then move on. Most often, another point of concern comes up, and I end up altering another section of the paper to better explain the topic in question.



Currently, the paper still has all the information about M106 and M86, but the portion relating to the random-orbital polisher has grown immensely and is being moved towards the beginning of the paper, as opposed to the end. Reality is such that if the user does not truly understand how the machine works and how to achieve best results using it regardless the liquid being used, the end result will likely be subpar.



So, while the wait is frustrating for those of you waiting to read it, there is a legitimate reason for the wait. I appreciate all the discussion and anticipation about this document. I know I am about a month behind the date I figured this baby would be posted, but it's not too far off. I am REALLY looking forward to finishing this thing!



I knew I should have left the graphics out because of the time it takes to make them, but the paper has improved because of their inclusion.
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ricka said:
for pc's does it matter if you use a 4" or larger pad? other polishes work better with the smaller pad and a pc (because the pads turn faster to build heat to work down polish granules) vs 105/205 which don't need heat since it doesn't break down...
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Not as much as with other polishes. You will get better cut using 105 with smaller pads, but I used it successfully with 6" pads on the PC. I took out 2500 grit wetsanding marks in two applications with six inchers on the PC.
 
This gives me great hope for using M105 again on a PC. I tried quite a few hours cutting 105 with OC and OP to get longer working time and better removal but it seems like it either did nothing by turning to dust quickly and removing no scratches or creating a bad haze that I would have to go over again just to remove.



Subscribing!
 
SuperBee364 said:
Not as much as with other polishes. You will get better cut using 105 with smaller pads, but I used it successfully with 6" pads on the PC. I took out 2500 grit wetsanding marks in two applications with six inchers on the PC.
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I, OTOH, was unable to remove fairly light marring on the Yukon using PC/M105/Meg's 8006. A harsher pad probably woulda worked a lot better, but that M105/8006 combo seemed just right for the job. When I tried to apply more pressure to the PC to add a little oomph, it did its usual "jiggling under pressure" thing (which would *not* have happened with a 4" pad).



When I put that same 8006 on the Flex, the marring (and even some nearby RIDS) came out quite easily.



4" pads *do* work great on the PC with M105 IME...but my jury is still out on the larger ones :think:
 
Todays fun involves a Porsche turbo in Basalt Black Metallic.



Before:



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After new M105/orange via KBM with a PC and 3x straight IPA wipedowns. No M205 yet.



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gmblack3a- Nice job correcting that Porsche. Two questions:



-How hard was its clear (I hear Porsches are all over the map these days; mine were kinda hard)?



-Which size orange pad were you using?
 
Accumulator said:
gmblack3a- Nice job correcting that Porsche. Two questions:



-How hard was its clear (I hear Porsches are all over the map these days; mine were kinda hard)?



-Which size orange pad were you using?
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Thanks Accumulator.



Being a metallic I'd say its harder then a flat black porsche which is very soft. So if a flat black porsche is a 1 and a vette/audi a 10, I would rate this a 3-4. YMMV...



6.5" ABC pad with the scalloped edges. (no longer for sale :( )



I am still amazed the finish that the KBM will leave after removing defects like this. A quick going over with M205/PC/Black pad is all that this will need.
 
I am happy with 105/orange KBM, but I seem to destroy pads fast. The heat on the backing/foam are cut, delam, and spit foam dust. I've been playing with the pressure, but I don't get the same results when I back off, but the pads last much longer.



Any experience other ideas?



Cheers,

GREG
 
gmblack3a- Thanks for the added info. I'm always interested when people get good results with 6-6.5" pads on the PC.



Cool that the M105 still finished out so well on that paint too.
 
Greg Nichols said:
I am happy with 105/orange KBM, but I seem to destroy pads fast. The heat on the backing/foam are cut, delam, and spit foam dust. I've been playing with the pressure, but I don't get the same results when I back off, but the pads last much longer.



Any experience other ideas?



Cheers,

GREG
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Greg, This process is tough on pads, have you tried a different pad that might be more durable?



As I mentioned above so far I like the ABC scalloped edge best, but they are out of production. I think the key to those is the velco went all the way to the edge of the pad. I had been using these pads way back when (maybe 3 years ago when Patrick at excel sold them.) They always held up the best for me.
 
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