New Abrasives Chart

Yeah, I just upped it after reading the link I posted earlier. I personally have only used the original ScratchX out of the consumer line, and initially based my rankings on that.



Current Listing:

UC-9

ScratchX 2-8

SwirlX-7
 
porta said:
I assume this chart came from Autogeek - since it's incorrect, according to Menzerna Germany. Powerfinish or "PO203S" have a cut of 3,5 and gloss 3,5.
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Doesn't say that 203S has a cut of 3.5, so why is it wrong?
 
Doesn't say that 203S has a cut of 3.5, so why is it wrong?



Sorry left out the word "it", so, Doesn't it say that 203S has a cut of 3.5, so whay is it wrong? Are you reading the post that I made? It states that Powergloss has a cut of 5.0 not 3. What are you reading???
 
Just to note, D151 is rated a seven on the Meguiar's scale.



M86 should probably be mentioned, but I'm really not sure if it was ever given a rating on the scale. It is definately more aggressive than M84 and I can't compare it to Ultimate Compound. Personally, I would rank it a 9 on the scale.
 
3,5 here means cut 3 and gloss 5. It does not mean 3.5, as is commonly used in Europe. Anyway, Menzerna's rating is not the same as Meguiar's.
 
i read on the meguiars forum today that color X has a rating of 4... .. and im curious about where mothers power polish would fall.. mothers claims its about the same as DACP for its abrasiveness rating..
 
Thanks a lot for the input guys. Im trying to juggle work and some other things, but im going to update this tomorrow.



Add:

ColorX-4

#86-(somewhere)

D151-I havent seen this on the megs chart. Can anyone substantiate that this is a 7? That seems pretty aggressive for an AIO.

3M-Ultrafina at 3, and Ultra Cut compound. (I could really use some help with the 3M line)

Werkstatt Prime Strong- with the other AIOs



Ill keep this updated!



-Craig
 
jDizzle said:
i read on the meguiars forum today that color X has a rating of 4... ..
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May I ask where specifically you read this. Meguiar's has typically refrained from comparing the abrasiveness of their cleaner waxes with the abrasiveness of their polishes. If ColorX enjoys a cut of 4, then this would make it comparable to M205 and M80. Does this sound right?
 
Legacy99 said:
Doesn't say that 203S has a cut of 3.5, so why is it wrong?



Sorry left out the word "it", so, Doesn't it say that 203S has a cut of 3.5, so whay is it wrong? Are you reading the post that I made? It states that Powergloss has a cut of 5.0 not 3. What are you reading???
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I think we are talking apples and pears here :)



I mean that the chart from Autogeek is wrong, not your chart.
 
craigdt said:
D151-I havent seen this on the megs chart. Can anyone substantiate that this
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D151 is the Paint Reconditioning Cream. Since it is from the Detailer (not the Professional) line, it starts with the letter D. #151 is incorrect.
 
Thanks for all the hard work. I just really hope no one new happens upon this chart and uses it to compare cut between different brands.



Optimums cut rating of 3 is not on the same scale as meguiars or menzerna or poorboys, etc.



Really this should be used as a quick reference to remember what is what. I dont think you should be putting up products that havent officially been given a cut rating because than youd be placing them all on a general scale. I mean, menzerna doesnt even officially go past 5.



And than theres the whole issue with diminishing and non diminishing.......







its late, im rambling......excellent work
 
Dsoto87 said:
Thanks for all the hard work. I just really hope no one new happens upon this chart and uses it to compare cut between different brands.



Optimums cut rating of 3 is not on the same scale as meguiars or menzerna or poorboys, etc.



Really this should be used as a quick reference to remember what is what. I dont think you should be putting up products that havent officially been given a cut rating because than youd be placing them all on a general scale. I mean, menzerna doesnt even officially go past 5.



And than theres the whole issue with diminishing and non diminishing.......







its late, im rambling......excellent work
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I agree... OP I've actually been trying a few things myself as well as collecting some info from a few detailers trying to make a list like this, but I won't be posting it until it's complete (or at all if this succeeds)... you need to revise the title or post at the top of the thread that it's a WORK IN PROGRESS then gather info from everyone's posts regarding the different products... there are many variables but this can in fact end up being a fairly correct guide, but people need to be honest in what they've used, as well as list pad, machine, time, etc. etc. etc.



I figured Meg's scale of 0-12 was best to start with, then go according to that with different products... so if you put Menz PG at a certain number, calculate the % of cut 106ff has compared to PG, and put it on the Meg's/'Main' cut scale accordingly



Again, this will take a lot of time, a lot of sorting through posts like "I think polish X has a cut of 8 because my friend told me polish Y has a cut of 5" and a lot of good info from competent and, most importantly, experienced detailers.



I'll post up my list on what I have so far in a few minutes, but right off the top of my head you're missing some stuff, like Meg's #3, M66, M84 is 9 not 8, etc...
 
I was under the assumption that final polish II was the lightest abrasive polish mezerna made and 85RD was more abrasive. I need to do an ultra light polish and would like the absolute lightest i can get.
 
Downgear said:
I was under the assumption that final polish II was the lightest abrasive polish mezerna made and 85RD was more abrasive. I need to do an ultra light polish and would like the absolute lightest i can get.
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From my experience FPII is 'lighter' than 85rd and I think it should be @ #2 on the chart
 
Dsoto87 said:
Thanks for all the hard work. I just really hope no one new happens upon this chart and uses it to compare cut between different brands.



Optimums cut rating of 3 is not on the same scale as meguiars or menzerna or poorboys, etc.



Really this should be used as a quick reference to remember what is what. I dont think you should be putting up products that havent officially been given a cut rating because than youd be placing them all on a general scale. I mean, menzerna doesnt even officially go past 5.



And than theres the whole issue with diminishing and non diminishing.......







its late, im rambling......excellent work
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Obviously, since the charts are different for all the different brands, im not just taking them all and plunking them in the same chart. Ive done a lot of research on what other people have experienced with these, as well as what I have experienced. And just because they don't have an 'official' cut rating doesn't mean we cant rate their cut.



Thanks for the encouragement!







holland_patrick said:
Have you used it???? It really is sandpaper in a bottle... and SSR2 is really just a step above SSR1 not really anywhere near 2.5
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Fixed it. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" :chuckle:



lecchilo said:
I agree... OP I've actually been trying a few things myself as well as collecting some info from a few detailers trying to make a list like this, but I won't be posting it until it's complete (or at all if this succeeds)... you need to revise the title or post at the top of the thread that it's a WORK IN PROGRESS then gather info from everyone's posts regarding the different products... there are many variables but this can in fact end up being a fairly correct guide, but people need to be honest in what they've used, as well as list pad, machine, time, etc. etc. etc.



I figured Meg's scale of 0-12 was best to start with, then go according to that with different products... so if you put Menz PG at a certain number, calculate the % of cut 106ff has compared to PG, and put it on the Meg's/'Main' cut scale accordingly



Again, this will take a lot of time, a lot of sorting through posts like "I think polish X has a cut of 8 because my friend told me polish Y has a cut of 5" and a lot of good info from competent and, most importantly, experienced detailers.



I'll post up my list on what I have so far in a few minutes, but right off the top of my head you're missing some stuff, like Meg's #3, M66, M84 is 9 not 8, etc...
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Id love to change the title, but I can't.

Most of the info Ive used for this chart comes from what we all consider creditable sources here and on other communities.



I initially didnt pick the #3, #7, #2, etc. to place on the chart because I didnt want to overload it. But depending on what others feel, I may put them in.



Fixed M84, Added M66



lecchilo said:
From my experience FPII is 'lighter' than 85rd and I think it should be @ #2 on the chart
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Changed it





Thanks everyone!



Edit: For some reason, I find the 3M line to be even more confusing than the Menz. :confused: Help me out here
 
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