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SuperBee364 said:
I tried to buy it from their web site. When you click on the Purchase button, it takes you to a screen that says you have to "call for current pricing". I'd be willing to be that if you were to call em, they'd give you the 5 minute telephone infomercial spiele before they'd even tell you the price. Then they'd tell you it has to be applied by an "authorized installer". I'm guessing around $500.



It sure would be nice to not have to guess at these things, but when they result to these types of marketing techniques, what choice do you have?



I'll sell you my Vintage, but you have to call me for current pricing. ;)
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Toughguard is not targeted to the detailing market. It's for dealerships. If you try it you will be highly impressed. The average detailer's income is dependent on repeat customers.



Toughguard is not for that market segment. Once Toughguard is installed the customer will not need a detailer to polish or wax their car for a long time. Toughguard last 20 to 50 times longer than a wax. You will lose you repeat customer base if you install it.



I kid you not.



Derrick
 
kapinnn said:
I'm assuming the replacement deal cannot be transferred, right?





Now regarding this ToughGuard... I bet we'd all be willing to give it a try if we could get a small sample or something. I'm pretty sure it's no different to apply than a regular sealant. Maybe just multiple layers or curing time differs.
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I still chuckle everytime I see your Sig, Kapinnn. My wife came in the den the other day when I was reading one of your posts, and she gave me this "OMG, I caught you surfing naughty stuff" look when she saw your sig. She got a giggle once she caught on, though.



As for the Vintage.... I'm about positive the refill rights can only be passed on by a Will. Honestly, I love the Vintage and wouldn't sell it, but if you play your cards right, I'll put you in the Will.
 
Flytyer here I am a product researcher by trade. Last month you all had a good time on the people trying to defend a product called Toughguard. For my research I purchase one kit of toughguard and one of Zano also Autoglym split the hood of my car into thirds. After one month of testing with weekly car washes and weather both the Zano and Autoglym have melted off in 100 degree temps. My hood looks like you know what but for this test I will deal with the looks for three more months. At the current rate of decay from the other 2 paint waxs, I my try some other products to test because in a month both Autoglym and Zano will be totally gone. SO far only the Toughguard has handled the heat and tree sap.



I will keep anyone that is interested posted if they wish.



Thank You Flytyer
 
Derrick said:
Toughguard is not targeted to the detailing market. It's for dealerships. If you try it you will be highly impressed. The average detailer's income is dependent on repeat customers.



Toughguard is not for that market segment. Once Toughguard is installed the customer will not need a detailer to polish or wax their car for a long time. Toughguard last 20 to 50 times longer than a wax. You will lose you repeat customer base if you install it.



I kid you not.



Derrick
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I beg to differ



I do not see how any product (aside from literally spraying on clearcoat) can last more than 8 or so months.



Why is this? Well basically because of how thin the layer is that is deposited onto the paint. When you spread any wax, sealant, toughuard, whatever you are putting it on, allowing what is going to bond to do so, then removing the excess (dried because the carrier solvent has evaporated).



How does a wax or sealant bond? Well although paint is smooth, it does have tiny pores on the surface. Ever wonder why your paint feels slicker after a good sealing or waxing? Because these pores are now "capped" with polymers or wax or whatever you are using, thus making the surface smoother.



However, no product can possibly stay on the paint that long simply by sitting in the pores, its not going to happen. Even if it did literally sit on top of the paint and not just cap the pores, there would be no way of it lasting 20 times longer than regular wax.





And you say they will not need a detailer to polish for a long time either, impossible unless they never touch the car at all. When you ash a car, you will put swirls in, however mild they are you will put swirls in. And if washing a car will swirl clearcoat, you are not going to convince me that toughguard is harder than clearcoat.



Now if you want to actually go out on a limb and say that you wont need to polish for a long time after a toughguard application because it is harder than clearcoat, then I would have to say that you would be wrong.
 
Your wrong in stating that a product like toughguard can not be harder then clear coat. It can all it takes is a different type of Acrylic then used in the clear coat and it can be made hard as heck ask any chemist.
 
A second thought on pores on paint if the paint finish is made with ultra small particales.

They would fill in all of the voids in the paint surfaces not letting dust and grime into replace them. The only way dirt would get in is other pieces fell out it is that simple. Fill the holes before the dirt gets in and the dirt will hold the other products in place.
 
Last note on paint finish test one of the products I tested I used on the glass on the side windows,headlight plastic, chrome real and plastic,paint,wheels, as suggested on their marketing web site; so far it seems to work as listed but on this I also will keep you posted
 
Flytyer said:
Your wrong in stating that a product like toughguard can not be harder then clear coat. It can all it takes is a different type of Acrylic then used in the clear coat and it can be made hard as heck ask any chemist.
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So you are telling me if I wash a black car with toughguard on it, it will not get any swirls until the toughguard wears off?





You keep thinking that...



Notice you have 4 posts, 3 of them right on this page, hmmmmm...
 
swirls on black car I do not own a black car I will try and find someone that does. What I am tell you is that a clear coat has holes in the surface just like paint. If you did any kind of reading of paint surface or none visible surfaces. You would know that every surface out there is full in microscopic holes that can be fill. Better yet lets ask Derrick it seems that he handles this product every day. As to your hmmm I have found that some times our member do not a good job of research before they make statements. THAT IS WHY I JOINED UP BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN WRITTEN IN THE PAST HAS BEEN TRUE SOME OF OUR MEMBER MAKE THEIR UP ANSWER AS THE GO WITH NO FACTS.
 
Sorry for the spelling errors last note need coffee. Note about products sticking on surfaces for a long time. If you have read any articles about magnets then read the techincal pages off the toughguard web - sites. You will see that they state they use 2 different magnetic charges on their products to bond to surfaces. Good example to play with is how long will a magnet hold up note on a fridge door. I do product research for a living so reading and testing is all I do. Oh if you would like in the future I could give you a good website to read on their products. Their techincal pages have some very good reading in them. hmmm.
 
Not to sound too much like a geek, but a single magnetic charge (monopole) has never been found. They all come in pairs. Also, magnets don't have charge (that term applies to electric fields and charged particles, not magents), they have poles (N and S). Finally magnetism is a property of only a small # of materials (usually containing iron) although can be produced by moving charges (like a current flowing through a loop of wire). I highly doubt any materials that produce magnetic fields are regularly used in paint sealants or automobile paints. The only paints with magentic properties I've actually seen demonstrated were mixed with iron filings.



RG
 
I have been a reader of Autopia for a long time I have had a problem with some of the so called experts on this site that really are all talk and no facts. The smell is brains having to work and the reason this has been going on so long is no one in the past has really do any research or testing before making comments. It some times is amazing that over the period of 6 years no one has ever done a side by side products test. It is simple over the next say year I will keep every one post on products tried and the ones that fail.
 
Let's see . . . the banned user, Toughguard, identified herself in her profile as Kate Clifton, IT and Marketing for Toughguard. On one of the Toughguard websites, she's listed along with her contact address in Denver, CO.



Well, what a coincidence! Mr. Flytyer is only 13 miles from Denver there in Westminster, CO. Also, two of the Colorado car clubs that are linked from the Toughguard website are located in Westminster, CO.



Tort



Wayne Gums, is that you?
 
Wow, Tort, please ban that moron.



So I'm assuming Accumulator, Scottwax, and Picus have never done any testing or research prior to making comments? Think again.
 
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