Minimum time between SG coats

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jland67

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What is the recommended time between applying Klasse SG coats? The reason I ask is that i am going to detail my car next week and i would like to apply aleast 8 to 10 of SG. The car is going to be in a garage all week and i was thinking of applying a coat of SG before I go to work and then one when i get home. Any help would be great.



Thanks,





Jeremy
 
I'd search for more info on this, but...



8-10 coats is overkill. 5-6 coats is the climax of shine and protection. Any more and you're wasting it.



You should wait 24 hours between coats to allow the SG to cure fully.



There are plenty of articles and discussions on Klasse here. Take a look around the site for its great features.



Good Luck!
 
I can't even remember how many coats I had on my teg at one time.... 20 or 30 at least. I was putting on a couple coats a week when I first started using it. I have since learned that anything past 5 layers is past the point of diminishing returns. That just means that you don't get the results after the 5th layer to really warrant the effort it takes to put the layer on. I'd stop right about at 5.



GSRstilez is dead on with the rest of it. 24 hours between coats for best results. This isn't a wax. It requires time to cure properly. If you don't wait the 24 hours then you could have hazing and/or durability issues. If its humid out then you definitely need to wait the 24 hours. Humidity affects the cure time. Klasse isn't a product where you can slap on 8 or 10 layers in a weekend. One layer a day is about all you can do and not have to worry about any problems. Trust me... Its worth the wait. :bigups
 
So if you're going at the slow rate of one coat of SG every 24 hrs, do you need to QD and/or california dust the whole car each time right before you apply the next coat? 24 hours is enough time for dust to settle out of the air, even in a garage, isn't it?



Never used a sealant yet... just curious on the process(s). Thanks.
 
If the car is dusty or dirty then wash it. If its just been sitting in the garage for 24 hours then its probably already pretty clean. No need to do anything. Dust it or QD it if it needs it, but it probably won't. I can't tell you the condition of your own garage, so you'll just have to inspect the car after 24 hours and make an executive decision as to what you want to do next.
 
I have had incredible results with only waiting about 30-45 minutes between coats in very little humidity and very high humidity.
 
RJJ said:
I have had incredible results with only waiting about 30-45 minutes between coats in very little humidity and very high humidity.
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Incredible results meaning durability? Shine?



Please tell us how you came to these results.



Klasse is a proven product with a proven procedure to go with it.
 
There is a curing process that needs to take place with a polymer sealant. You can not speed up that process no matter how good you are at applying it. Zaino finally came up with an additive that sped up the process, but Klasse has no such system. If you were only waiting 45 minutes between coats then you certianly weren't waiting long enough. I don't even buff off the SG for at least 45 minutes. It may have looked good, but I can asure you that it had not completed the curing process and durability and appearance were compromised.
 
Thanks for all the help guys. I am going to apply 5 coats of Klasse SG next week. One coat a day for 5 days.



Jeremy
 
I applied SG and left it to cure. It was very humid and eventually started to rain on the car overnight. The following afternoon, I washed the car. I didn't see any haze after washing and drying. I applied the second coat, still in very humid weather and buffed off after a little over an hour. These have been the first times I've used SG. I applied using a microfiber applicator dampened by EO detail spray. Buff off was with a mf cloth dampened by Sonus spray. Used a dry mf towel afterwards. I had no problems with SG. I have a sapphire blue car. So far, I like the Klasse twins. I will wash the car again and apply a 3rd coat. I wish I polished the car. I only clayed before SG. I already had 2 coats of AIO before I clayed. I know the sequence was off but the results so far have been very good other than the visible swirls. Maybe I'll polish today.

Should I reapply AIO and SG after polishing?
 
Gentlemen, flawless results, which last about a year, waiting only about a half an hour between coats what else can I say.

Doesn't jimwh suggest 20 minutes??
 
The information contained in the series is quite clear to me, long waits between re-coats are not suggested, indeed short periods between re-coats are implied.



I took this information, used it, and have been very pleased with the results.



If it did not work well I would have posted the info so others would at least be aware that there might be a problem with the protocol
 
We used to have a paint chemist on this board, and we all beat this subject to death. We determined with his help and expertise that SG does in fact have a cure time of AT LEAST 24 hours. Now I'm glad that it is working for all of you who do not adhere to this rule. And in the end, do what works best for you. But AFAIAC, SG needs 24 hrs to cure.



Someitmes we need to show some patience in order to achieve the best results. Applying SG back to back to back with minimal cure time really just makes us 2.99 turtle wax detailers. People who want miraculous results instantly without putting in the necessary time. Just my $0.02.
 
Originally posted by BillNorth

We determined with his help and expertise that SG does in fact have a cure time of AT LEAST 24 hours.
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Who's we, do you have a mouse in your pocket? :D Is 25 hours of curing even better or maybe even waiting 48 hours, that must be even better. I'm in the group that hasn't seen the merits of waiting for 24 hours or even half that time between multiple coats of SG. Because of what one person says, who claims to be a paint chemist, which also must make him an expert on Klasse,:rolleyes: doesn't end all discussions on the merits of a short or prolonged curing time for Klasse SG. If the chemist that developed or produced Klasse came foward and said, "Klasse SG was developed so that 24 hours of curing time must elaspe before subsequent applications are applied.", or something to this affect, then as far as I'm concerned, end of discussion and a "I don't know what I'm talking about", statement from me.



This whole debate gets fuzzy because how many people have applied mutiple applications of SG over the course on one day and left it that for months? :wavey I've used Klasse on white, dark green and red vehicles using short and prolonged cure times and I've never seen any difference in hazing, longevity or gloss in SG no matter what the elapsed time before a subsequent application of SG. I think people who use Klasse have to try out different processes and then decide for themselves which gives them the best paint protection and shine.



What works for some people doesn't make it a fact for everyone else. Just because there was a haze on a paint finish one day and gone the next day doesn't make it a fact that Klasse requires 24 hours to cure. This is akin to ancient mariners saying that the world is flat because the great ship captain so and so, sailed east and never came back, which proved to them that world was flat.
 
HellrotCi said:
Who's we, do you have a mouse in your pocket? :D Is 25 hours of curing even better or maybe even waiting 48 hours, that must be even better. I'm in the group that hasn't seen the merits of waiting for 24 hours or even half that time between multiple coats of SG. Because of what one person says, who claims to be a paint chemist, which also must make him an expert on Klasse,:rolleyes: doesn't end all discussions on the merits of a short or prolonged curing time for Klasse SG. If the chemist that developed or produced Klasse came foward and said, "Klasse SG was developed so that 24 hours of curing time must elaspe before subsequent applications are applied.", or something to this affect, then as far as I'm concerned, end of discussion and a "I don't know what I'm talking about", statement from me.



This whole debate gets fuzzy because how many people have applied mutiple applications of SG over the course on one day and left it that for months? :wavey I've used Klasse on white, dark green and red vehicles using short and prolonged cure times and I've never seen any difference in hazing, longevity or gloss in SG no matter what the elapsed time before a subsequent application of SG. I think people who use Klasse have to try out different processes and then decide for themselves which gives them the best paint protection and shine.



What works for some people doesn't make it a fact for everyone else. Just because there was a haze on a paint finish one day and gone the next day doesn't make it a fact that Klasse requires 24 hours to cure. This is akin to ancient mariners saying that the world is flat because the great ship captain so and so, sailed east and never came back, which proved to them that world was flat.
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When I say 'we', I mean the members of the forum AT THE TIME.



Your sarcasm is not costructive to this discussion. Frankly, If you wanna wait 25.5 hrs, I don't give a flying...



Do what works for you. If you see no benefits in waiting, then great. That's what I've been saying. But, I will also offer my insight.



And YES, Ron Ketcham IS a paint chemist, period! He doesn't 'claim' to be anything. Sorry my friend.



No one ever said he was an expert on Klasse, or that any of us are experts on klasse. But what I am saying, is that he WOULD have the necessary knowledge and ability to rip it apart and analyze it down to it's lowest level. I trust what he says. Klasse, and all other sealants, compete with the products of the company he works for. It would make sense for them to study their competition and understand what they are up against.



Regardless of this, I can understand why you think this debate still exists.



As for hearing an official word from klasse, good luck. The Klasse ppl don't say a heck of a lot about their own product. Trying to get answers from them is impossible. That's why we as users must fend for ourselves.



I don' think the debate is that fuzzy. 24hr curing WAS the standard back in the day, and it still IS. Most ppl do in fact adhere to and agree with the 24hr rule.



I see you read my post in the other thread. Well, to me the haze means it has not fully cured. If it's gone 24hrs later that must count for something. But I forgot, your results count so much more :rolleyes: .



I'm not gonna debate ancient mariners with you. I'll leave that for another day.



Bottom line is this ---->



If I have the choice between taking the word of a PROFESSIONAL paint chemist, or an AMATEUR garage detailer, I'd choose the chemist. His opinions and findings carry a lot of weight with those of us who knew him.



:wavey
 
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