Menzerna Ceramic paint polish

Cobra, I like your comparison but might we add that AIO goes a lot further than a 32oz bottle of Menzerna? Some might say that it also adds protection so it's not a fair comparison, but me personally I think the protection AIO adds is a hinderence in some cases. I wish klasse added a cleaner w/o protection to there AIO lineup. How many onces of 85 did you use on that Honda?
 
Burlyq said:
Cobra, I like your comparison but might we add that AIO goes a lot further than a 32oz bottle of Menzerna? Some might say that it also adds protection so it's not a fair comparison, but me personally I think the protection AIO adds is a hinderence in some cases. I wish klasse added a cleaner w/o protection to there AIO lineup. How many onces of 85 did you use on that Honda?
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Good point Burly, but I don't see anyone really use AIO as a stand alone product do you?



On the Honda, I think I used about a quarter of an ounce, but maybe a little more. The stuff really spreads ands spreads, better than FP II!



I don't know, I just thought it was a pretty fair comparison. Sure AIO adds some protection, but people almost always top it with SG or something. So IMO it's a very fair comparison. Both of them get topped with something, so they both act as the same product IMO.
 
1/4 oz means about 128 details, wow truly impressive, even if it gets half of that. I usually use at least 2oz of polish so maybe this stuff would even be equal in cost to other polishes if it spreads like that. I use AIO as a stand alone on doorjams, windows, wheels but not paint. I did think your comparison was fair, I was just adding other considerations.
 
Wait a minute, I meant about an ounce. My bad, I was thinking a quarter of a bottle I use, which is a 4oz bottle! So I guess 32 details!! Sorry.
 
Cost does not matter as much to me as ultimate performance. If I was concerned about cost, I would just buy OTC all the way and love it ! But I see cars with pop and sizzle, and since they are either new , or detailed, I have to buy the best products. Anyway, how often do I strip down... twice a year?:nixweiss So, it is cost effective ! All of it is....I estimate my "personal stash" to be about 5 years worth in polish .... less in LSP ! But I have a lot of product/s/, and its far too late to count costs... I have $ 800.00 or probably more in Polishers and pads is about as bad .... :xyxthumbs I have it bad ! I am lucky not to be in debt over this stuff.... My wife has taken to saying that highly polished cars are a "guy thing", And she know the UPS people by name now.... :rofl Thing is, even though I stress that the lowest quality wax over a good prep can rock, I know, in the long run, what you put in equals what you get out.... Sigh, ....I'm hooked :help:
 
Locally we have the IP and PO106FF, and we do not know when PO85RD will arrive. So I'm wondering should I just go ahead and order IP and PO106FF or should I wait for PO85RD. Is the end result using PO85RD very much better as compare to PO106FF or is it just marginal. Suggestions will be appreciated.
 
PO106FF is three (3) times more aggressive than PO85RD. So I would recommend PO85RD as the final polish or end step.



With Aloha,

Ranney :)
 
Hi guys,



Thought I would chime in. Ive had a bit of experience with the entire Menzerna line and most of the formulations from germany Menzerna through product testing.



106FF has more cut than 85RD but not the same level of gloss. 106FF is alot more workable, and will not flash (dry up) when buffing. In this sense it works alot like a premium Optium Polish which is in its favour. On the down side that extra lubrication makes it a real paint to remove. Make sure you have some extra MF on hand and change frequently.



My favourite combination is PO85RD3.01 followed by PO85RD. The PO85RD3.01 is the Intensive Polish of the ceramic polish range. It cuts a bit more than IP, dusts less, cleans easier and has a higher gloss. I use it with wool to cut, followed by polishing pad, followed by 85RD and a finishing pad all on rotary. For dark colours followed by 85RD on finishing pad and PC/Orbital.



I have found it to be an unbeatable combination. One little trick we use to compare products is to use the reflection of the round metal halide lights in the factory. 85RD produces the clearest, most defined , colour accurate reflection we have found from any product.
 
Hmmmmm.... PO85RD3.01..... so this is more abrasive than PO85RD ? (or is it just more dense in particle concentration) If the Ceramiclear polishes do not, as I understand, break down, then the PO85RD is needed to finish it? My point of confusion is that, if PG, and IP are basically the same product , in different concentrations (particle densities) , and they both break down to a finer particle size, hence better smoothness, why would I want to add the PO85RD3.01 step? What would I gain ? The PO85RD is supposed to be down to a much finer particle size, a finer stage, so why wouldnt I just rely on that to finish?:confused:
 
This is the first time i'm hearing about the PO85RD3.01, it does sound interesting. I wonder if Deanski knows anything about it. He was the person who originally "leaked" the cermaic polishes and info on them here on Autopia.



Mizzuri: I though PO85RD and PO106FF had the same level of gloss just different levels of cut? I know some members say PO85RD looks a little bit glossier then the PO106FF, but from all the charts and discussions I though they had the same gloss levels. :nixweiss
 
What do these new polishes use for an abrasive? Alumina? Regular polishes all pretty much use silicate clays, right? Do these new polishes break down like we are use to? Thanks!
 
John:



The ratings of the products can sometimes be misleading. 85RD is definately a higher gloss than 106FF. If 106FF is a 5 for gloss then 85RD should be 5.5. Combine that with how easy 85RD is to use and remove its a clear winner for me and a finishing product.





mochamanz:



I like PO85rd3.01 as a premium IP. If you already have IP I wouldnt throw it away just yet, but if I had the choice I know what I would choose. As I mentioned earlier using 85RD3.01 with a wool pad, then polishing pad and finishing with a 85rd and finishing pad gives you enough flexability to complete 95% of the jobs you need. To be able to find only two products that can give you that option is impressive in my book.
 
Mizzuri : Thanks for the information :) I have PG for rough damage as a starting point, otherwise, I start with IP. The IP reduces enough I figure I can use the PO85RD, as a replacement and refinement to FPll. Hopefully, I can still get by with ( I dont come across Ceramiclear paints often) this combo into the future ;) (doesn't matter anyway because the PO85Rd3.01 isn't available here yet, and to be honest, this is the first I have heard of it. I love Autopia because no matter what you think you know,or how advanced you think your product collection is, there is always a more advanced product out there to instantly suck the money right out of your wallet, from smack dead in front of the computer on any given day.....:LOLOL



But, when and if it does become available, well, I like to be ready for anything, so......;)
 
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