Meguiar's New Tech Wax

scottkay said:
I would like to know what the Masters are going to apply along with their Megs NXT Tech Wax ... if anything ... on 01 Feb 04 - Release Day (R-DAY).






Hi Scottkay,



I hope I'm understanding your question correctly....



NXT Tech Wax is a last step product, (LSP)



After applying NXT Tech Wax, you're done. Stand back and admire the results.



Later, you can apply another coat, one or two should do, three if you like. (Shouldn't matter after two coats).



I'm buffing out a black, 1963 Corvette roadster Thursday night here at Meguiar's for the first NXT Garage Party this happening this weekend.



I'll post some pictures of the results.



I've been told the paint is about 8-9 years old and in need of a good buffing. For the hood, I will be doing a side-by-side, before and after demonstration.



Stay tuned.



Mike
 
Thank you Mike.



Maybe they were not good questions. I am no product engineer or scientist ... I am just excited like everyone else. I guess my confusion can be reduced to this:



Do you think that applying NXT Tech Wax over Klasse SG or Platinum UPP would achieve any synergy?



Obviously, if SG or UPP were less durable than NXT, then there would be no purpose for such layering. But if they are more durable and NXT looks better, then there might be a purpose.



Another purpose might be if the combo of NXT and SG or UPP causes the "whole to be greater than the sum of the parts" (or something like that), for example if there are greater bonding characteristics between them.



My last newbie question re NXT ... I promise. Thanks.
 
Mike-will the pro version of NTX be out at the same time as the consumer version? What are the benefits of the pro version over the consumer version?
 
scottkay said:
Thank you Mike.



I guess my confusion can be reduced to this:



Do you think that applying NXT Tech Wax over Klasse SG or Platinum UPP would achieve any synergy?



Obviously, if SG or UPP were less durable than NXT, then there would be no purpose for such layering. But if they are more durable and NXT looks better, then there might be a purpose.



Another purpose might be if the combo of NXT and SG or UPP causes the "whole to be greater than the sum of the parts" (or something like that), for example if there are greater bonding characteristics between them.



My last newbie question re NXT ... I promise. Thanks.





Hmm... how can I answer this....



How about this,



I believe in a System Approach.



You can read more about that here,



http://www.showcargarage.com/forum/announcement.php?s=&forumid=41



So I don't know that I would ever mix products across product lines except when staying inside a product line.



In other words, I would use the Klasse twins, but I would not use NXT Tech wax over Klasse AIO.



Instead, I would use NXT over a product from the Meguiar's line.



Does that make sense?



Also, I don't know if there is anything that will improve upon the results created by NXT. I've played around with it quite a bit and after you have done your best surface prep possible, then your LSP is like frosting on the cake. I don't know if there is any better frosting yet.



But... I'm sure everyone here will be testing every combination under the sun, so we will see what we will see.



Does that help?



Mike
 
I propose we have regional release parties at our local AutoZone at 12:01am on the first. We can dress up like our favorite Meg's product and line up around the block. Mike, I'm putting you in charge of organization! I get to be #26 paste.
 
Scottwax said:
Mike-will the pro version of NTX be out at the same time as the consumer version? What are the benefits of the pro version over the consumer version?



Hi Scott



First things first.



Can you PM me your shipping address? ;) ;) ;)





Now to your questions.



Pro-version is about a year out I have been told. Why?



It has to do with distribution, not need and want. That's all I know. If it were up to me... nuff said.



The word the chemist used to describe the pro-version was potent.



That was months ago. I have been watching these guys out of the corner of my eye and they're up to something ko0L. That's all I know. Honest.



Mike
 
thinksnow said:
I propose we have regional release parties at our local AutoZone at 12:01am on the first. We can dress up like our favorite Meg's product and line up around the block. Mike, I'm putting you in charge of organization! I get to be #26 paste.



As I get ready to go out into the Meguiar's garage and R&R the power steering hose, and the heater core in the 73 Blazer, I was in need of a good laugh!



Uhg.... dirty work....



Someone's got to do it... looks like I'm someone.



Mike
 
Mike Phillips said:
Hi Scott



First things first.



Can you PM me your shipping address? ;) ;) ;)





Now to your questions.



Pro-version is about a year out I have been told. Why?



It has to do with distribution, not need and want. That's all I know. If it were up to me... nuff said.



The word the chemist used to describe the pro-version was potent.



That was months ago. I have been watching these guys out of the corner of my eye and they're up to something ko0L. That's all I know. Honest.



Mike



PM sent. What do you mean by 'potent'? Appearance? Durability?



BTW, I have the perfect vehicle to use NXT on. It is a black S600 driven by one of my customer's wives. She washes it herself a lot, using a water deionizer (good) and a brush (bad!) so it always has new scratches each time I see it. Even the husband agrees that constantly removing the scratches is a losing battle, so when I told him about NXT and it's filling properties, he seemed really interested. I normally detail this S600 every 6-8 weeks...yes it gets dirty enough to detail that quickly. Just did it again today, but once the NXT wax is out, the husband wants me to try it on her Benz.
 
I'm starting a new job this spring with a local car shop. All the celebs and athletes that come in to get their 24's on their Hummers and Escalades, I will be detailing. I am excited to use NXT on these because most of them are subjected to drive through car washes where teenagers stand outside and dry them off with sandpaper towels- lots of swirls!! It should test the filling properties really well. I can't wait for the pro version, that potency word certainly gets my attention.



Mike- glad you are back with us. I thought we had lost you there for a while. ;)
 
Just my take...



Scott, my impression was that "potent" meant "concentrated". Probably thicker, and more durable than the consumer stuff, but more difficult to apply.



Layering: I would guess you could put Souveran or UPP or whatever over NXT to the same extent you could do it over another polymer sealant. Does the Souveran sit right on top vs breaking the polymer up a bit and joining in with it? I dunno... But then I dunno if it does that with other polymers either.



Just what I've inferred from much reading. I've never used the stuff.
 
Aurora40 said:




Layering: I would guess you could put Souveran or UPP or whatever over NXT to the same extent you could do it over another polymer sealant. Does the Souveran sit right on top vs breaking the polymer up a bit and joining in with it? I dunno... But then I dunno if it does that with other polymers either.






So I've got a question. Is this why Sal is so adament about not layering a carnauba over Z? Does the wax break up the Z and decrease its durability. Honestly, I have had this really bad urge to buy some Z to see what the hype was about. The new Tech Wax and your, Aurora's, review are the 2 things stopping me.
 
Greg,



It might decrease durability. Hard to say because its difficult to test.



I know I've said this before so I don't want it to seem like a broken record, but layering waxes on top of Zaino seems counterproductive to me. It eliminates 2 of Zaino's 3 strengths - reflectivity and slickness. And it may affect the 3rd which is durability. Is the aesthetics worth it? Not IMO.



It remains to be seen how good NXT really is. No one outside of Meguiar's can accurately speak to its durability. Virtually all I've seen about it revolves around its swirl hiding and paint darkening abilities. Everyone is basing their opinions on nothing buy hype. Let's allow the critical eye of the true Autopian to pass judgement, nothing else.
 
bretfraz said:




It remains to be seen how good NXT really is. No one outside of Meguiar's can accurately speak to its durability. Virtually all I've seen about it revolves around its swirl hiding and paint darkening abilities. Everyone is basing their opinions on nothing buy hype. Let's allow the critical eye of the true Autopian to pass judgement, nothing else.



True, but at the same time, I doubt Mike would risk his reputation on the board over a turd of a product.



I am cautiously optimistic. :xyxthumbs
 
bretfraz said:
Greg,



It might decrease durability. Hard to say because its difficult to test.



I know I've said this before so I don't want it to seem like a broken record, but layering waxes on top of Zaino seems counterproductive to me. It eliminates 2 of Zaino's 3 strengths - reflectivity and slickness. And it may affect the 3rd which is durability. Is the aesthetics worth it? Not IMO.



It remains to be seen how good NXT really is. No one outside of Meguiar's can accurately speak to its durability. Virtually all I've seen about it revolves around its swirl hiding and paint darkening abilities. Everyone is basing their opinions on nothing buy hype. Let's allow the critical eye of the true Autopian to pass judgement, nothing else.



Bret- you make some very good points. I really don't think I would like Zaino on my black car. I love the look of fresh Souveran on it where it looks like oil has been spilled on the paint. However, on our silver 350Z, I think it would look absolutely fantastic.



As for no one outside of Meguiars to comment on NXT, I agree. I also agree that Mike has presented himself in such a manner on the boards, that it is tough not to be a little jazzed about the product. Then when DavidB reviewed it, it solidified a lot of doubt in my mind that this wasn't just hype. There is also no doubt that Mike has done absolute wonders in marketing this product and has probably sold 10,000 units in February. However, I do feel that this his passion is genuine and that NXT won't be regarded as the typical over-hyped, underperforming products that have made me cynical about new products.



I can honestly think of probably $200 worth of products that I wouldn't pay for again. These products are from companies that have produced great hype originally, only to leave something to be desired in the end.



I know that in February/March/April, there will be about 1000 posts saying- my review of NXT, pictures inside. Inside there will be rave reviews, stunning pictures of black cars that look like liquid and all the usual tricks.



However, in a year, when a newbie asks in the University, what product should I use? Is the answer going to be AIO, SG, S100, Zaino (the standard favorites), or is it going to be, NXT Tech Wax, hands down, only time will tell.



I think a lot of people want so deeply to believe that there is one equation for the perfect shine, but there just isn't.

The truth is, there comes to a point where products are just products and cars are just cars. Cars are going to reach a level to where they just can't look any better, but it is simply human nature to want it to look that nth degree better and at that point it comes down to personal preference. I'm done rambling for now, just some thoughts.
 
Greg,



Well said! :xyxthumbs



That said, I am looking forward to checking out NXT, especially on darker colors that seem soooo hard to keep swirl free all the time.



Come the first week in February, I will be getting some NXT. Why, because I am an Autopian on a never ending quest for shining exellence!



Cheers,
 
Scottwax said:
True, but at the same time, I doubt Mike would risk his reputation on the board over a turd of a product.



I am cautiously optimistic. :xyxthumbs



Its not just Mike reputation on the line its Meguiar's too. It wasn't that long ago when many at Autopia and other detailing forums were very down on Meguiar's, especially after the intro of Gold Class which ended up a big disappointment with enthusiasts. I see NXT as the product GC should have been all along. I have to give Meguiar's credit for listening to enthusiasts who wanted a product that was slicker, beaded water, and offered a deep rich shine. The last product I can think of that had any appeal to enthusiasts was Medallion and that ended up a flop due to its high price and finicky performance. IIRC that product came out in 1991 or 92.



While I've found all the hype very troubling for many reasons, I hope everyone interested in NXT goes out and buys a bottle and takes it for a spin. Then when the hype finally dies down we all can examine the product carefully and methodically. Time will definitely tell whether this stuff is worth a rip or not.
 
Scottwax said:
BTW, I have the perfect vehicle to use NXT on. It is a black S600 driven by one of my customer's wives. She washes it herself a lot, using a water deionizer (good) and a brush (bad!) so it always has new scratches each time I see it. Even the husband agrees that constantly removing the scratches is a losing battle, so when I told him about NXT and it's filling properties, he seemed really interested. I normally detail this S600 every 6-8 weeks...yes it gets dirty enough to detail that quickly. Just did it again today, but once the NXT wax is out, the husband wants me to try it on her Benz.



Quik question... what wax do you use on the above car currently?



Also, is there anyway you can convince this customer's wife to use either a wash mitt, or a sponge?



What does she use for a wash solution also?



Mike
 
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