Meg's #16 Available !

EdLancer said:
I have news that Meg still makes #16, but under another product for a different application ...more to come later, list your nick below if you are interested in getting some they are around $11 a tin ...LoL :drool:
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Were all very interested, and the new product is...........................????
 
I was going to guess #8 myself, IIRC #8 and #16 were both introduced in the '50's. Perhaps #88 was too? For some reason I thought #88 was a newer formulation. Hopefully we will find out soon..



- Andrew
 
:nixweiss Well IMO it isn't totally surprising. Collinite sells the same products under different numbers but they are honest about it. I've been told that Megs is selling(for all intensive purposes)some of the same stuff under different names and numbers and they act as if they are different products.
 
sspeer said:
OK, so how does Meguiar's get around the VOC issue?
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I'm speculating here, but from my understanding, the VOC regs applied to car care products. Mold release waxes probably don't fall under the same umbrella of regulations yet.



Tort
 
I would vote for the #8. A quote from this page is: " Almost 50 years ago, Meguiar's created Mirror Glaze M-8 Mold Release Wax, the first mold release wax formulated for the FRP industry. From then until now, M-8 has been the No. 1 selling mold release paste wax worldwide. And, most importantly, it's formulation today is exactly the same as it was when it was introduced." which sounds oddly like the #16 description. I would imagine that #16 is slightly different, if only due to the blue tint that I'm presuming the #8 doesn't have. My guess is that those 80-series mold releases are much newer.



After reading through the EPA stuff that Bill D posted links to a couple years back when #16 was discontinued, it's very easy to believe that Meguiar's can still make a virtually identical wax and sell it into a different market that is categorized as an industrial use rather than a pleasure/leisure/vanity use. What the legalities are of selling a mold release to be used on a car are, I'm not sure--I'm quite sure Meguiar's can't do it, but the OP is in Canada, so...



EDIT: Wow, there were a lot of posts since I started typing this, I apoligize if some of it seems out of context or redundant now.
 
wannafbody said:
:nixweiss Well IMO it isn't totally surprising. Collinite sells the same products under different numbers but they are honest about it. I've been told that Megs is selling(for all intensive purposes)some of the same stuff under different names and numbers and they act as if they are different products.
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<cringe> intents and purposes...anyway, it only makes sense that Meguiar's would label things differently, let's say that #8 and #16 are identical, if you're in the auto parts store looking for car wax, you're going to cruise right past mold release, perhaps muttering to yourself "stupid clerks, what is a mold release doing mixed in with the car wax! The people they hire nowadays".



In this instance, the EPA has decided that the environment shouldn't be polluted for frivolous purposes, like waxing your car, so they reduced the VOC limits. However, for an industrial process, where mold release is used (for fiberglass layup, etc., not for injection molding like your computer mouse), the EPA isn't as concerned, I'm guessing because it's considered more of a "necessary" process, which might effect the economy more, or maybe statistically, there is less used, or they feel less is "wasted" because an industrial user will be concerned with cost and won't over-apply it, etc.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I would vote for the #8........
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I would too Mike, but here is an interesting thread where Mike Phillips states: "Point being, this is an older product that works great for creating a barrier film between the mold and the plug, but it's not the best product for automotive paints."



Did Mike have all the facts on the mold release products back then (11-04), or was it an attempt to steer users to their automotive products? I could imagine that Meg's would not be too happy if customers complained that their mold release wax didn't perform as well on their auto finishes as "Mike told us they would".
 
Elliot, wasn't 11/04 when the discontinuation of #16 was announced? I'm sure it would be a violation of EPA regs for Meguiar's to knowingly sell a mold release product for autos if the mold release product exceeds the VOC content specified for auto wax. On the other hand, you can never tell, marketing being what it is, whether #16 is just #8 tinted blue and in a blue can, or whether it is subtley tweaked for automotive use. I highly doubt that one of the mold releases is identical to #16 (I'm sure these are batch processed, and if you're going to change the color and the can, why not tweak it a bit to optimize it for cars?), but I also doubt there is a world of difference.
 
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