Meg's #16 Available !

EdLancer said:
Wow, all these responses ! ...sorry i didn't check the thread till tonight.



All I can tell you is that you can contact him drdetail@drdetailforless.com. He himself is a detailer who still has a tin or two of #16 and he will provide you with that info since it was him that confirmed the fact with Meg's. He himself is a chemist.



Some of you are pretty close to the truth !



Here is his site: http://www.drdetailforless.com



#16 link: http://www.drdetailforless.com/proddetail.asp?prod=m1611
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Why not just tell us yourself???? Is it #8??? I've got #16, just want to now what the so-called identical wax is?



Thanks!!
 
Padron said:
Why not just tell us yourself???? Is it #8??? I've got a ton of #16, just want to now what the so-called identical wax is?



Thanks!!



By the way, the URL you posted to the #16 is no good....
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It seems to work when i copy and paste the link in a seperate window
 
Well, copy/paste didn't work for me, I had to type it. So the guy is in CA, he only sells car products, what the hell is the point? If he also sold mold release products to surfboard mfrs., then maybe with a wink and a nod he could sell us #8 and tell the EPA that he thought we were using it on our board molds, not our cars. Honest! I don't see how he could list a mold release under paste waxes and not be considered to be skirting the law by the EPA (actually, I think it was CARB, and the EPA adopted similar or the same standards).
 
I received similar info as well. I'm not sure which mold release product it is but figure it is one of those my guess is #87.



I base this on the msds sheets

#16 lists two CAS#'s 64742-14-9 64742-48-9 VOC max 65%

#08 lists five CAS#'s none match

#87 lists two CAS#'s both matching VOC max 76%

#88 lists one matching CAS# VOC max 75%



I don't know weather they are identical but probably pretty close. As for VOC, I believe regulation depends on the intended application. State guidelines vary too I think.
 
Eliot Ness said:
I would too Mike, but here is an interesting thread where Mike Phillips states: "Point being, this is an older product that works great for creating a barrier film between the mold and the plug, but it's not the best product for automotive paints."



Did Mike have all the facts on the mold release products back then (11-04), or was it an attempt to steer users to their automotive products? I could imagine that Meg's would not be too happy if customers complained that their mold release wax didn't perform as well on their auto finishes as "Mike told us they would".
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All I can say is that Mike Phillips is wrong, anything that can stand the harsh inside environment of a mold and the velocity that the material is travelling into it is pretty tough and durable !



Hint, hint ...did you guys read the testimony of those guys using #16 compared to #8 as a mold release ? I think we have a new winner ! :2thumbs:



http://www.fibreglast.com/VBulletin/archive/index.php/t-2566.html
 
EdLancer said:
All I can say is that Mike Phillips is wrong, anything that can stand the harsh inside environment of a mold and the velocity that the material is travelling into it is pretty tough and durable!
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ED...this is not for injection molding, it's for fiberglass layup, like boat hulls, etc. You think you could buy your cheap injection molded parts if they had to stop after every piece and wax the mold, and wait for it to dry? Injection molding resins use mixed-in mold releases...injection molding cycle times are very short and the runs are very long...that's why the parts are so cheap.
 
EdLancer said:
All I can say is that Mike Phillips is wrong, anything that can stand the harsh inside environment of a mold and the velocity that the material is travelling into it is pretty tough and durable !



Hint, hint ...did you guys read the testimony of those guys using #16 compared to #8 as a mold release ? I think we have a new winner ! :2thumbs:



http://www.fibreglast.com/VBulletin/archive/index.php/t-2566.html
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts Ed!!
 
Yes I know it's on the site but when I inquired was told it was out of stock. I looked for it and tried to order from several places. Many you could add to cart but would get an email or phone call saying they were out.
 
PhaRO said:
Yes I know it's on the site but when I inquired was told it was out of stock. I looked for it and tried to order from several places. Many you could add to cart but would get an email or phone call saying they were out.
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Ok, Sorry, I didn't try to order any.
 
EdLancer said:
Hint, hint ...did you guys read the testimony of those guys using #16 compared to #8 as a mold release ? I think we have a new winner ! :2thumbs:
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Still not convinced #8 is it. Info still mismatched but I don't understand msds sheets 100%



#8

Heavy Alkylate Naphtha 45-60%

Turpentine 5-15%

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon 1-5%

Calcined Kaolin Clay 2-10%

Kaolin 1-5%



#16

Light Distillate 30-60%

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon 30-60%



#87

Light Distillate 25-45%

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon 30-55%



I'd like to find them locally to test out. Not sure where one would buy them other than online. I've seen #8 for $8.30 at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/waxes.html

I've seen one of them locally before but can't remember where. I think West Marine had #8
 
PhaRO said:
Yes I know it's on the site but when I inquired was told it was out of stock. I looked for it and tried to order from several places. Many you could add to cart but would get an email or phone call saying they were out.
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Email him, I know he has 1-2 cans left, when I emailed him, he thought anyone looking hard enough to find him was deserving enough get his last tins of #16 ...LoL, I don't think he understands us Autopians yet !
 
EdLancer said:
.....Hint, hint ...did you guys read the testimony of those guys using #16 compared to #8 as a mold release ? I think we have a new winner !......
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Yes, I read it, but at least a couple of those guys saw a difference in #16 and #8. Below are two of the posts:



"Has anyone used this stuff? i was using #16 before and it was ok, apparently this stuff is "the daddy" but polishing it after u put it on is neigh impossible, if ya have used it, am i missing something?"



"yes 16 is nothing compared to the 8, 16 takes about half hour to dry before u can buff it, 8 takes 5 minutes, it gets harder to buff but provides better release with less layers, i havent used 16 at all sicne i started with the 8"



I'll admit that I don't know what the "half hour" dry time is for #16 that the second post is talking about, but I'll assume they are applying it much thicker than we do. Even so, if they experienced a 1/2 dry time with #16 and a 5 minute dry time with #8 there must be some kind of difference between the two.



I might have to call up my Meg's dealer tomorrow and see if they can order me a can of #8 just to try out...... EDIT: I may put that order on hold until we get a more definite answer as to what product is identical to #16..... those MSDS's don't seem to point to #8.
 
EdLancer said:
Email him, I know he has 1-2 cans left, when I emailed him, he thought anyone looking hard enough to find him was deserving enough get his last tins of #16 ...LoL, I don't think he understands us Autopians yet !
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I emailed a couple days ago :(

I was hoping to snag at least one can for my paste wax collection.
 
PhaRO said:
Still not convinced #8 is it. Info still mismatched but I don't understand msds sheets 100%



#8

Heavy Alkylate Naphtha 45-60%

Turpentine 5-15%

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon 1-5%

Calcined Kaolin Clay 2-10%

Kaolin 1-5%



#16

Light Distillate 30-60%

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon 30-60%



#87

Light Distillate 25-45%

Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon 30-55%
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First off, we don't even know that this info is right, that there is another Meg's product that is "identical" to #16. Second, we don't know it's a mold release...I stumbled across that portion of the Meg's website some time ago and was reminded of it by Bence's post. Third, #8 is out because it has 3-15% clay in it, which makes it a cleaner wax, not a pure wax like #16. Since those large ranges of ingredients I suspect are to keep competitors from knowing the exact formulation (let's be serious, you can't expect me to believe that in today's world they can't control major ingredients closer than 30%?), the ranges for #16 and #87 overlap so they could be the same product. I'm basing this on what you have posted here since I haven't perused the actual MSDS's. As Mike Phillips likes to point out, MSDS's are for safety, not for product formulation. But they do have to be "accurate".
 
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