Meg's #16 Available !

Setec Astronomy said:
First off, we don't even know that this info is right, that there is another Meg's product that is "identical" to #16. Second, we don't know it's a mold release...I stumbled across that portion of the Meg's website some time ago and was reminded of it by Bence's post. Third, #8 is out because it has 3-15% clay in it, which makes it a cleaner wax, not a pure wax like #16. Since those large ranges of ingredients I suspect are to keep competitors from knowing the exact formulation (let's be serious, you can't expect me to believe that in today's world they can't control major ingredients closer than 30%?), the ranges for #16 and #87 overlap so they could be the same product. I'm basing this on what you have posted here since I haven't perused the actual MSDS's. As Mike Phillips likes to point out, MSDS's are for safety, not for product formulation. But they do have to be "accurate".





I'm skeptical to them being identical. I'm curious enough that I'm going to try and pick up at least one tomorrow or order all 3 over the weekend. I first heard about this earlier this week. Initially I didn't know the product believed to be the same was mold release. It didn't take long to figure it out though. Later on this got confirmed. I too have heard about the range and competitors. Another confusing point is I used MSDS from meguiars website http://www.meguiars.com/msds/msds_search.cfm I also looked at other msds sheets online for the same products. Not all listed the same information lol. I didn't look too close at the dates though so could be product changes.
 
Interesting thread with some interesting comments...



Here's some of my M16 collection but not all of it as I found some more recently...





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#8



Calcined Kaolin Clay 2-10%

Kaolin 1-5%





Wouldn't that make it a bit abrasive? Micropieces of kaolin are used in some finer polishes.

Probably aids in keeping plastic from sticking to the molds.





I never got to try #16, i'm not going to stress over it, there are so many more out there to choose from anyway.
 
Mike Phillips said:
Interesting thread with some interesting comments...



Here's some of my M16 collection but not all of it as I found some more recently...



Sheesh, Mike, what is the point of having that much? I understand the "museum" ones, but what could you possibly do with all that?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Sheesh, Mike, what is the point of having that much? I understand the "museum" ones, but what could you possibly do with all that?



It is good to flaunt it to others that would like some #16, Too bad it's not a table full of Pinnacle Souveran. :doh
 
silk said:
#8



Calcined Kaolin Clay 2-10%

Kaolin 1-5%





Wouldn't that make it a bit abrasive? Micropieces of kaolin are used in some finer polishes.



You will find that many Meguiar's products (and probably many other mfrs) have this ingredient, including NXT. My presumption is that it gives NXT the "slight cleaning" and perhaps filling properties. As was stated before, the presence of this ingredient pretty unequivocally refutes #8 being the "secret #16".
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Sheesh, Mike, what is the point of having that much? I understand the "museum" ones, but what could you possibly do with all that?



Im not sure there is a logical reason to keep that much, other then its great stuff :chuckle: ... maybe Mike thinks itll be worth more money in the future since its a excellent classic and highly desirable? As much as I want to hoard (sp?) a bunch of #16 Ive been stopping myself and reminding myself that its just a wax and a tin of #16 wont become profittable enough to keep in mass quantities, at least thats IMO. Even if it does become worth more money there are so many quality competitors it wouldnt be hard to find a replacement.



I finally got a couple tins for myself this week... Ill probably pop one open for myself and save the other. I am somewhat of a collector but I dont see the need to order every can I see.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Sheesh, Mike, what is the point of having that much? I understand the "museum" ones, but what could you possibly do with all that?



They make for a nice gift for those in-the-know that don't have a can and want one. :2thumbs:
 
Mike Phillips said:
They make for a nice gift for those in-the-know that don't have a can and want one. :2thumbs:



:drool: Thats an awesome collection of stuff Mike. I should be getting my tin of #16 soon. Hope its as great as everyone says!
 
Mike Phillips said:
They make for a nice gift for those in-the-know that don't have a can and want one. :2thumbs:



That's a great reason, Mike...that kind of thing will get you the "special" rep points! :goodjob
 
Eliot Ness said:
I would too Mike, but here is an interesting thread where Mike Phillips states: "Point being, this is an older product that works great for creating a barrier film between the mold and the plug, but it's not the best product for automotive paints."



Did Mike have all the facts on the mold release products back then (11-04), or was it an attempt to steer users to their automotive products? I could imagine that Meg's would not be too happy if customers complained that their mold release wax didn't perform as well on their auto finishes as "Mike told us they would".





When I wrote this,



"Point being, this is an older product that works great for creating a barrier film between the mold and the plug, but it's not the best product for automotive paints."





It was part of an answer about a member asking about using our M08 Maximum Mold Release Wax on his car's paint. Will it work? Sure it's a barrier wax, but in the context of what I wrote in my answer,



" but it's not the best product for automotive paints."





My answer is accurate because I think we can all agree that most people want their paint to look as good or great as it possibly can; that is clear and glossy, rich in color, with a deep, wet shine. A mold release wax is formulated with the top priority of creating a barrier-film, not to make the surface it's applied to look good. Automotive waxes are formulated to make automotive paints to both look good and protect the paint, (create a barrier film), and in the context of my answer, a Mold Release Wax like M08 will not create the same kind of beauty characteristics as will one of our newer automotive formulations like Gold Class, NXT, DC3 or M26, which will do a much better job of creating a deep, wet shine on both single stage paints and basecoat/clear coat paints.





A picture paints a thousand words, after spending around 14 hours on this modern single stage black paint, I wanted to use a wax that would create the deepest, richest in color, most reflective results possible for the owner, I could have used a Mold Release Wax like M08 but that would not achieve the goal, instead I used a newer formulation created for both beauty and protection.





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So again, in the context of what I wrote and that I was quoted in this thread commenting on the use of a Mold Release Wax as compared to an Automotive Wax,



" but it's not the best product for automotive paints."





I think that the majority of us would agree that when we work on our car or a customer's car, we want both great visual results as well as protection to reach these goals, modern paint protection formulations will perform better and thus, be the best product for automotive paints.



That said, I hope this will help Ed to better understand the context of the statement in relationship to what he wrote here,



EdLancer said:
All I can say is that Mike Phillips is wrong, anything that can stand the harsh inside environment of a mold and the velocity that the material is traveling into it is pretty tough and durable ![/URL]







Sure a quality Mold Release Wax will provide durable protection as it has to withstand chemical attack and in some cases heat not to mention wear and tear as most manufactures want to get as many pulls as they can out of the waxed mold before having to go back in and strip the mold, prep the mold and then re-wax the mold, but the context of what I was typing was about the relationship to both protection and beauty when you and I work on our cars, not simply creating a durable barrier-film on a surface.







Hope that helps... now back to work... :D
 
Mike Phillips said:
They make for a nice gift for those in-the-know that don't have a can and want one. :2thumbs:



Awesome... when I first saw the pics of your #16 mountain I thought it was a bit strange... of course in a really cool way. :chuckle: I thought maybe you were bit by that bug I seem to have, where Im starting to really get rolling on stocking up supplies. You know.. where after you receive a package you were waiting for and right after you open it you jump back online to order more. :woot2:
 
I guess the next step is to do a panel with #16, #8, #87, #88 and compare.



I guess the Hunt for Blue October carries on !



Collinite's 845IW was originally also developed for something else before being used on automotive paints ! and their 476S and 885 are the same product just in different cans for different applications.



Heres a post from another car forum:



Posted by: bohica2xo



I have used Meguiar's #87 High-Temp Mold Release Wax on just about every car I have ever waxed. It can be a lot of work, but 3 coats will last a whole year outside....



It is an industrial product, used for release agent in epoxy systems. It will keep epoxy from sticking to bare metal, even at 300f . I used it on my black '79 Z28 - the first coat went on the day it came from the dealer. Never had a streaking problem, even when applied in the sun. Nothing sticks after you get a couple of coats on - I had a seagull bomb my Z28, and it just wiped off after it baked in the sun all day.
 
wow . . . i never knew a discussion on no 16 could go this far . . . every time someone posts and continues this debate makes me happier that I found a tin, and will now relocate it to my safe . . .
 
fdizzle said:
wow . . . i never knew a discussion on no 16 could go this far . . . every time someone posts and continues this debate makes me happier that I found a tin, and will now relocate it to my safe . . .





Its called "nostalgia", it brings us back to a simpler time when your granddad could have been rubbing on some #16 on that multiple coat layer of cherry red paint on his '57 BelAir and such, but the fact that a product developed over 50 years ago can still be compared or even top products from the 21st century is simply amazing, #16 provides that connection !



I have three tins now and constantly looking for some more to better Mike Phillips collection ...LoL



Heres one dude who sadly willl never get his chance of owning a tin once some Autopian sees this link !:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Meguiars-16_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50450QQihZ017QQitemZ270046852055QQrdZ1
 
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