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LSP Winter Faceoff
- Thread starter 4u2nvinmtl
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A little enthusiastic are we. You should be as Collinite and a number of others have longevity that is very respectable. Thanks to the OP for doing this.
Dave
4u2nvinmtl
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I'll be posting another update this weekend as the LSP start to hit the two-month mark.
I let it get real dirty again and did a bit more highway driving this time around. Also, the temperature has really been dropping so it will be interesting to see if the results remain the same.
I let it get real dirty again and did a bit more highway driving this time around. Also, the temperature has really been dropping so it will be interesting to see if the results remain the same.
Accumulator
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I guess it'd be just *TOO* UN-Autopian, but I'd be interested to hear how FK1000P works for others if left unwashed for a truly extended period of time. I've left bugs on it for *months* (put the Crown Vic away for the winter without washing it) with no problems (like etching) at all, and I wouldn't like to say how long I'll let the Tahoe goe between washes 
4u2nvinmtl
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I guess it'd be just *TOO* UN-Autopian, but I'd be interested to hear how FK1000P works for others if left unwashed for a truly extended period of time. I've left bugs on it for *months* (put the Crown Vic away for the winter without washing it) with no problems (like etching) at all, and I wouldn't like to say how long I'll let the Tahoe goe between washes
These last 1.5 months have been the fewest times I've washed my car (twice in 6 weeks)... I'm not sure whether washing less often or more often has much of an effect on these LSP's. If anything, I'm starting to think weekly washes strip more LSP than no wash at all (just an assumption basied on the results I'm seeing with this test).
Accumulator, what are you thoughts on 476s VS FK1000P? I ask because 476s really impresses me a lot (this being my first time using it).
4u2nvinmtl
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LSP Faceoff – Second Update
So it’s now been 1.5 months after the majority of the LSP’s were applied save for Collinite 845 that I applied on the roof 9.5 months ago and WG Uber Coating I reviewed on the hood 2.5 months ago. All of the LSP are still holding up extremely well considering the conditions the vehicle has been exposed to.
Over the past two weeks, all of the various LSP’s got seriously dirty. My Jeep hasn’t been washed since the last update about two weeks ago because I want to gauge how these products will last your average biannual “waxer”.
How did the various LSP’s hold up to all this? Spectacularly, aside from some minor differences…
LSP break down:
DFF – KAIO topped with 2 layers of KSG <- Applied 1.5 months ago
DRD – 2 layers of KSG <- Applied 1.5 months ago
DRF – 2 layers of DG601 & DG105 at a 1:4 Ratio <- Applied 1.5 months ago
PFF – 2 layers of FK-1000p <- Applied 1.5 months ago
PRD – 2 layers of FK-1000p <-Applied 1.5 months ago
PRF – 2 layers of Collinite 476s <- Applied 1.5 months ago
Hood – 1 layer of WG Uber <- Applied 2.5 months ago
Roof – 1 layer of Collinite 845 <- Applied 9.5 months ago
Key/Legend:
DFF = Drivers Front Fender
DRD = Drivers Rear Door
DRF = Drivers Rear Fender
PFF = Passenger Front Fender
PRD = Passenger Rear Door
PRF = Passenger Rear Fender
Wash:
I did a simple 4 bucket wash with Megs Hyper wash (1oz in 3gal and 1/2oz in 2gal of water) and a CarPro Merino wool wash mitt, as well as an assortment of brushes for the wheels. I hand dried with TMC WW towels and I didn’t use any topers or drying aids.
Wash media (pun intended)
Before:
After:
So it’s now been 1.5 months after the majority of the LSP’s were applied save for Collinite 845 that I applied on the roof 9.5 months ago and WG Uber Coating I reviewed on the hood 2.5 months ago. All of the LSP are still holding up extremely well considering the conditions the vehicle has been exposed to.
Over the past two weeks, all of the various LSP’s got seriously dirty. My Jeep hasn’t been washed since the last update about two weeks ago because I want to gauge how these products will last your average biannual “waxer”.
How did the various LSP’s hold up to all this? Spectacularly, aside from some minor differences…
LSP break down:
DFF – KAIO topped with 2 layers of KSG <- Applied 1.5 months ago
DRD – 2 layers of KSG <- Applied 1.5 months ago
DRF – 2 layers of DG601 & DG105 at a 1:4 Ratio <- Applied 1.5 months ago
PFF – 2 layers of FK-1000p <- Applied 1.5 months ago
PRD – 2 layers of FK-1000p <-Applied 1.5 months ago
PRF – 2 layers of Collinite 476s <- Applied 1.5 months ago
Hood – 1 layer of WG Uber <- Applied 2.5 months ago
Roof – 1 layer of Collinite 845 <- Applied 9.5 months ago
Key/Legend:
DFF = Drivers Front Fender
DRD = Drivers Rear Door
DRF = Drivers Rear Fender
PFF = Passenger Front Fender
PRD = Passenger Rear Door
PRF = Passenger Rear Fender
Wash:
I did a simple 4 bucket wash with Megs Hyper wash (1oz in 3gal and 1/2oz in 2gal of water) and a CarPro Merino wool wash mitt, as well as an assortment of brushes for the wheels. I hand dried with TMC WW towels and I didn’t use any topers or drying aids.
Wash media (pun intended)
Before:
After:
4u2nvinmtl
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DFF – KAIO topped with 2 layers of KSG applied 1.5 months ago
This panel is defiantly in my top three; it stayed clean for many drives dispute terrible weather. Eventually the panel became caked with road grime after about 10 days of daily driving. Despite the amount of soil there’s still beading in some areas (while dirty).
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking as good as new again. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime. After a quick dry the panel has that classic Klasse gloss.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
This panel is defiantly in my top three; it stayed clean for many drives dispute terrible weather. Eventually the panel became caked with road grime after about 10 days of daily driving. Despite the amount of soil there’s still beading in some areas (while dirty).
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking as good as new again. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime. After a quick dry the panel has that classic Klasse gloss.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
4u2nvinmtl
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DRD – 2 layers of KSG applied 1.5 months ago
This panel didn’t fare as well as the others (when dirty) and it didn’t stay clean for many drives in terrible weather. The panel became caked with road grime during the first week after the last wash. The door no longer beads at all when dirty but when clean this panel still beads very well.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking as good as new again. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
This panel didn’t fare as well as the others (when dirty) and it didn’t stay clean for many drives in terrible weather. The panel became caked with road grime during the first week after the last wash. The door no longer beads at all when dirty but when clean this panel still beads very well.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking as good as new again. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
4u2nvinmtl
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DRF – 2 layers of DG601 & DG105 at a 1:4 ratio applied 1.5 months ago
This panel still continues perform consistently. It stayed clean for many drives in terrible weather. Despite the amount of soil there’s still good beading in most areas after two weeks.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking as good as new again (slick and smooth). I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
This panel still continues perform consistently. It stayed clean for many drives in terrible weather. Despite the amount of soil there’s still good beading in most areas after two weeks.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking as good as new again (slick and smooth). I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
4u2nvinmtl
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PFF – 2 layers of FK-1000p applied 1.5 months ago
This panel continues performed very well, even compared to another panel with FK-1000p (location, location, location). It looked good on every drive even in terrible weather. The lower section of the panel became caked with road grime fairly quickly this time around (more snow than last time). The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel is still excellent.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking great. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
This panel continues performed very well, even compared to another panel with FK-1000p (location, location, location). It looked good on every drive even in terrible weather. The lower section of the panel became caked with road grime fairly quickly this time around (more snow than last time). The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel is still excellent.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking great. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
4u2nvinmtl
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PRD – 2 layers of FK-1000p applied 1.5 months ago
This panel was a top performer but didn’t fare quite as well as the other FK-1000p panel (location, location, location). It stayed clean most of the time. The door gets a lot of road spray from the wheels so the entire panel became caked with road grime midway through the second week. The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel is still good.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking great. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
This panel was a top performer but didn’t fare quite as well as the other FK-1000p panel (location, location, location). It stayed clean most of the time. The door gets a lot of road spray from the wheels so the entire panel became caked with road grime midway through the second week. The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel is still good.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking great. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
4u2nvinmtl
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PRF – 2 layers of Collinite 476s applied 1.5 months ago
This panel is currently my favorite. I didn’t think it could get much better than 845 boy was I wrong. This panel stayed cleaner longer partially because it gets a little less spray from the wheel. The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel is still fabulous.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking great. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
This panel is currently my favorite. I didn’t think it could get much better than 845 boy was I wrong. This panel stayed cleaner longer partially because it gets a little less spray from the wheel. The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel is still fabulous.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking great. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
4u2nvinmtl
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Hood – 1 layer of WG Uber applied 2.5 months ago
This panel is a mixed bag and performs above average. It stays clean for only a short while but rinses clean with water easily. This panel gets a little less spray because of the way the air flows over the hood but the leading edge gets hammered. Snow and mud tends to get flung onto the hood when letting the SRT8 rip in the snow. Road grime only accumulated on the leading edge. The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel never tapers off.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking flawless. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
This panel is a mixed bag and performs above average. It stays clean for only a short while but rinses clean with water easily. This panel gets a little less spray because of the way the air flows over the hood but the leading edge gets hammered. Snow and mud tends to get flung onto the hood when letting the SRT8 rip in the snow. Road grime only accumulated on the leading edge. The beading and sheeting exhibited by this panel never tapers off.
One week after last wash:
Two weeks after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the panel was looking flawless. I didn’t notice any marring or scratches on the panel from my wash processes to remove the winter grime.
Below you’ll find two videos, one was taken while rinsing the dirt off the panel and another video was taken to demonstrate the current state of beading and sheeting on the clean panel using the “mist” setting.
4u2nvinmtl
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Roof – 1 layer of Collinite 845 applied 9 months ago
This panel is in a league of it’s own in terms of durability. This was the LSP that started this whole winter durability test idea in the first place after lasting around a year on my wheels. Collinite 845 stays clean for about three weeks at a time regardless of weather. This panel gets almost no spray because of the way the air flows over the roof. I’ve never seen road grime accumulate on the roof regardless of LSP. The beading and sheeting tapers off in-between washes but comes back strong once washed.
One week after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the roof was looking ok. I did notice some marring, scratches, and dents on the roof from the tree branches that fell. I’ve also never bother to compound and polish the roof as it’s hardly seen (debating doing it this spring).
Below you’ll find a video I took to show how well the roof is beading even when it’s unwashed for two weeks.
This panel is in a league of it’s own in terms of durability. This was the LSP that started this whole winter durability test idea in the first place after lasting around a year on my wheels. Collinite 845 stays clean for about three weeks at a time regardless of weather. This panel gets almost no spray because of the way the air flows over the roof. I’ve never seen road grime accumulate on the roof regardless of LSP. The beading and sheeting tapers off in-between washes but comes back strong once washed.
One week after last wash:
After a nice long 2 bucket wash the roof was looking ok. I did notice some marring, scratches, and dents on the roof from the tree branches that fell. I’ve also never bother to compound and polish the roof as it’s hardly seen (debating doing it this spring).
Below you’ll find a video I took to show how well the roof is beading even when it’s unwashed for two weeks.
4u2nvinmtl
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Summery...
The good:
Note: KAIO + KSG should have been in the top three if we exclude Uber (but that's also not fair to the Durragloss)
The rest:
The ugly:
Prediction:
What would I use based on the current results? Uber coating topped with 476s or FK1000P, hands down (assuming they play nicely together)
The good:
They all still look great but there's 3 LSP leading the pack... My top 3 picks are 476s, FK1000P, and Uber. Oddly I like them each for different characteristics they posess.
[*=1]The 476s has the best beading
[*=1]The FK1000P has the best self-cleaning
[*=1]Uber is the most resistant to contamination
The rest:
- 845 has proved itself to be the Veteran everyone said it was
- Durragloss I don't know what to make of it, it looks good and its a solid performer with no change from week to week but it also doesn't wow me in any departments
- KAIO + KSG is the dependable duo that always provide that classic Klasse look
- KSG alone is a new thing for me because I always put KSG over KAIO so far I'm not seeing any significant benefit
The amount of time to write these post and haveing to deal with the web server banning my IP without cause was a bit of a downer (first world problems).
The ugly:
I don't think there will be one product that outlasts the rest I think LSPs will just slowly taper off at some point.
Prediction:
I have a hunch the products will fail in the following order (from soonest to latest): KSG -> 845 -> KAIO+KSG -> DG601+DG105 (might tie with Klasse) -> FK1000P and 476s (tied for most durable waxes/sealants) -> Uber will last the longest but it's a coating so that's a given.
What would I use based on the current results? Uber coating topped with 476s or FK1000P, hands down (assuming they play nicely together)
Accumulator
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4u2nvinmtl- Thanks for the update (sheesh, that must've been a job-o'-work all right!)
I have the same experience with the roof of the Tahoe, it simply never gets bad. I'm going over a year between applications of FK1000P on that panel with no problems at all.
I too will be interested to hear how they die off...I know how it'd go *for me* but let's see what your experience is.
Especially interested to see how things go with the KSG since you only did two layers.
I have the same experience with the roof of the Tahoe, it simply never gets bad. I'm going over a year between applications of FK1000P on that panel with no problems at all.
I too will be interested to hear how they die off...I know how it'd go *for me* but let's see what your experience is.
Especially interested to see how things go with the KSG since you only did two layers.
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
Thanks for the report!
valleyguy1
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Thanks for document this. Enjoying it.
Priyaka
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This is one of the best reviews I have ever read. Thanks for all the hard work. It's a great read.