Longevity and "look" of Opti-Coat

Thomas Dekany said:
We all have opinions. :D However, I am talking from experience as a professional detailer. Plus the look is more about the prep. Yes, every lsp has its own look, but to generalize sealants vs carnauba is silly. You do that due to not having enough experience if you ask me.



PS: you have it backwards. It is waxes that look wet in general. Sealants more shine, but like with most everything in life, its not black or white.



PPS: if polish "A" had the exact same ingredients as polish "B" from 2 different resellers, you would be right about polishes not making a difference. However that is clearly not the case with Meg's vs 3D. Why you would think that different polishes produce identical results, while waxes don't is pretty interesting. I would ask you to read more and post less, so that new members (long after you are gone) after you can get the correct info. After all, that is what this forum is for.



But don't take my word for it. Experiment, instead of assume. :bow
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I've actually been on this forum for several years, I don't post that much, but you need not worry about what I say or what I read. Just keep that to yourself if you can't handle someone that questions your almighty opinion. I'd worry more about yourself just getting over that first.



Secondly, I never said you were outright wrong, I just said that I didn't see how one abrasive produces much different results than from another. Perhaps you work for HD or someone else or test products for them in which case your opinion is simply biased. I have worked with several polishes HD is not one of them thus far. Not all of us have the time or money to just sit back and ride the jock of a certain company. Two polishes I have right now are menzerna polishes as well as megs polishes. Both of them IMO produce great results, but 1 vs another I see little if any difference. It's just like the test that was done to 5 identical cars that were equally prepped and each topped with a different wax. They then asked average people and pro detailers to try to pic from 5 different waxes which one was which... and they couldn't, so even the supposed keen eye pro's like you have are limited.



Also, the cars you posted, while they look great, the only one I see that would have a "bad" finish might be the FR-S. BMW, Chevy, Audi, all have nice paint to begin with and ANY camera with the correct angle can make a car look great. I can post my own and show how great of a detailer I am too, but i'm not really that hung up on myself either.
 
Please, don't take this the wrong way.



Guitarist302008 said:
I've actually been on this forum for several years, I don't post that much, but you need not worry about what I say or what I read. Just keep that to yourself if you can't handle someone that questions your almighty opinion.



I was pretty sure that you would have this type of a reply back to me. Why would you think that I have an "almighty opinion". Simply, I have a lot more experience than you. I think it is you, who has narcissistic tendencies. I mean how many different paint have you polished since those several years? Or are you trying to tell us that your opinion is more correct than my personal experience? One of the best advice I can give you is to leave your EGO at the front door. I come here to learn, and originally/ unofficially, I've been here since 2001. I do worry about false/incorrect info posted on this forum. I learned so much on AUTOPIA, I want to make sure that other will have the same experience. Yes, I care about others. Sounds like you don't.



Secondly, I never said you were outright wrong, I just said that I didn't see how one abrasive produces much different results than from another. Perhaps you work for HD or someone else or test products for them in which case your opinion is simply biased.



Once again, your "opinion" is wrong. Do you not see a pattern here? Why on earth would you assume that I work or test for HD? (from all your bashing/negative comments about Opti coat that I have read, I would think that you work for the competition - how is that?)



Because I use the line? Maybe you work for a company who competes with 3D? After all isn't offense the best defense? I have no affiliation with 3D. I also use M101, S3, PF, D300 etc... - However, to my eyes, the best ""LOOKING"" finish I achieve is with HD products. I apologize if that is upsetting to you. But the best compound is M101 :bigups





I have worked with several polishes HD is not one of them thus far. Not all of us have the time or money to just sit back and ride the jock of a certain company. Two polishes I have right now are menzerna polishes as well as megs polishes. Both of them IMO produce great results, but 1 vs another I see little if any difference.



Ok, so you don't see a difference (yes both Menz and Meg's are very good products) - big deal. But that doesn't mean other shouldn't or wouldn't either. Let me go back to what I said earlier. Your claims/opinions seem very egocentric. Do you not think that you could actually be wrong? I mean here you are questioning "MY EXPERIENCE". Not my "OPINION" but my experience as a pro detailer. Do you not realize, that there is something wrong there?



It's just like the test that was done to 5 identical cars that were equally prepped and each topped with a different wax. They then asked average people and pro detailers to try to pic from 5 different waxes which one was which... and they couldn't, so even the supposed keen eye pro's like you have are limited.



Here you go again. You read something. WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE??????



Also, the cars you posted, while they look great, the only one I see that would have a "bad" finish might be the FR-S. BMW, Chevy, Audi, all have nice paint to begin with and ANY camera with the correct angle can make a car look great.



Your "opinion" of the cars posted here is also wrong. Shows your lack of experience. Other than the M3, each of those cars took over 20 hours to correct. The M3 could have used more work as well, but I only had 1 day to work on it.



The Scion after 1 year





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The 1 week old 328i





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The RS5 with 300 miles on it, and after another detailer's fixing the scratches from the dealership





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2009 M3





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And the Chevy with just a few hundred miles





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Each car was scratched all over, not just here and there, but how would you know that? Right? BTW, if you think that my car pictures are doctored up, (sounds like you are an expert when it comes to photography as well) you are always welcome to come out to beautiful Oregon and come to any of my correction details.Any time!



I can post my own and show how great of a detailer I am too, but i'm not really that hung up on myself either.



To me you sound like someone someone who is high or drunk. Sorry dude, you just make no sense. I can't follow your logic. This thread is about OPTI COAT and how it looks/durability. The pictures above are to showcase what type of look you can achieve with proper prep/opti coat. It is not about me. There is C&B for that.



PS: It is ok to be wrong. The world is not going to end. None of us are perfect. Now lets see your work and how your car(s) look with OPTI COAT. What is YOUR actual experience?
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What's more interesting than anything else is that you take all of this time as the keyboard warrior that you are to write this long, drawn out post of all of your work, including your nice little pics, while proving that you just want to argue for the sake of arguing because you responded to an a**hole after I questioned a company that you work for.



Maybe I do work for the competition... wow. Yep, I work for CQF AND 22PLE!! I'm a coating spy!!!!! lol
 
What IS interesting is that you just can't admit that you were wrong. You have a good day now.





Guitarist302008 said:
What's more interesting than anything else is that you take all of this time as the keyboard warrior that you are to write this long, drawn out post of all of your work, including your nice little pics, while proving that you just want to argue for the sake of arguing because you responded to an a**hole after I questioned a company that you work for.



Maybe I do work for the competition... wow. Yep, I work for CQF AND 22PLE!! I'm a coating spy!!!!! lol
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Sorry to go off-topic, Thomas, your work is superb!



Not to diminish the value of your experience and skills with the results, but its proof enough that the specific products used do matter, and opti-coat looks great.
 
I have to agree with Thomas about how great HD Polish is, its an amazing finishing polish that does have some moderate cut depending on pad choice. Its the one polish with a DA that I can count on to finish out deep, wet and haze free on soft clears on BMW and Audi jet black paint.



Generally, on harder paints, I'll compound with Meguiars M100 and polish with Optimum Hyper Polish, on softer paints, its M100 and HD Polish.



Polishes aren't just about the cut and the abrasives, its whatever else is engineered into them that allows them to not only cut, but to finish well. There have been polishes I've used in the past that while they have a great cut, they finish out pretty badly, and polishes that leave the paint super glossy but also don't remove squat. I'd recommend to anyone who has more than 1 car to try a few different polishes to see what gives them the best finish and look. The better the paint looks prior to applying the LSP, the better it will look after its applied. I think a lot of the reason I get such a great look from Opti-Coat is that I have several different polishes on hand that I can use to get the best look possible prior to applying Opti-Coat.
 
Scottwax said:
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Polishes aren't just about the cut and the abrasives, its whatever else is engineered into them that allows them to not only cut, but to finish well.
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Agreed, but to add to this I would say that HD Polish is one of, if not the easiest polishes to decontaminate from the surface for an Opti-Coat job.
 
David Fermani said:
Agreed, but to add to this I would say that HD Polish is one of, if not the easiest polishes to decontaminate from the surface for an Opti-Coat job.
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I'm not doubting that it's not a great product... i'm simply calling the guy out for just being a rude know it all. I don't care what product he uses. His work may look very good, but i've seen just as good and better on here.
 
Gotcha. No worries. I'm just staying neutral and keeping my fingers crossed that you guys just let this issue blow over. I like both of you and think you're both great members. These days I just try to stay positive and objective. :)
 
David Fermani said:
Gotcha. No worries. I'm just staying neutral and keeping my fingers crossed that you guys just let this issue blow over. I like both of you and think you're both great members. These days I just try to stay positive and objective. :)
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No, i'm really not worried about it now. It's just one of those things.
 
Thomas Dekany

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I have no affiliation with 3D.







I find that hard to believe when 80% of your threads push 3D products.
 
What do you find wrong with me using a line of products that works for me? Would it be different if it was 105/205? What do I do differently from others when they make a recommendation? I don't even post my process most of the time! I was one of the very first ones to use HD UNO back in 2009 on a regular bases. Do you also notice that I only use Opti Coat as an LSP? Do you find it hard to believe that I don't work for Optimum? I would have expected more from you to be honest.





Legacy99 said:
Thomas Dekany

Registered User

I have no affiliation with 3D.







I find that hard to believe when 80% of your threads push 3D products.
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Your immaturity shines once again. Why am I rude? Because I corrected you? Sorry if that hurts your seemingly big ego. I posted my work to back up what I was saying, not just giving an opinion, which is what you do. And why am I a know it all? Where do you get that idea from? However I would bet all I have that I am way more experienced when it comes to Opti Coat. But that is given since I am detailing for a living, and you don't.



I am moving on, I will not continue with you after this reply.



My offer still stands: you are welcome any time to come with me to any of my paint correction details. I will even buy you lunch.



Guitarist302008 said:
I'm not doubting that it's not a great product... i'm simply calling the guy out for just being a rude know it all. I don't care what product he uses. His work may look very good, but i've seen just as good and better on here.
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I think there should be a "dislike" function , in addition to the "like" function on these forums. Perhaps the dislike function could be anonymous or not, e.g. 5 users dislike this (person-a, person-b, and 3 others)



That way people who are trolls, who don't even realize it, will get an idea of how people think about what they are posting here.
 
David Fermani said:
Agreed, but to add to this I would say that HD Polish is one of, if not the easiest polishes to decontaminate from the surface for an Opti-Coat job.
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Water based polishes ftw!
 
Guitarist302008 said:
Great, i'm glad me saying that I wasn't worried about it shows my immaturity. Let us know about the new HD products when they send you samples k?
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I don't know about Thomas, but I get samples from Optimum, Meguiars, HD, Clearkote, Mitchell & King and others. And it isn't to get the good word out. Its because they want real world testing by people who work on a wide variety of vehicles and have experience with a wide range of products so they know how their stuff stacks up. The only condition is they want my honest opinion.



HD Polish was good enough that after I used up my sample I bought a quart out of my own hard earned money. :)
 
I for one appreciate all the info and tips in here... Tom's pictures make me wish I hit my car with HD Polish before I Opti-Coated it, I've heard nothing but great stuff about it and his pics speak for themselves! Amazing work!
 
You are immature. Not one time did you address anything in response to what I was saying about your "opinion". Your issue is simply, that someone "corrected" you. Here is another one. You just can't admit that you are wrong. I told you already, I am not working for anyone. I do not work for HD, do not get free samples from any one, although I did place a pretty large order yesterday with Dr G for Opti Coat and Opti Glass. He asked me if I wanted to try something. So I am receiving some FREE "small" bottles of polishes. BUT, you can also ask any reseller for samples.



Do you go to Meguiar's forum complaining about people using Meguiar's products? Calling them schills? Get a life.



I suggested in my first reply to you to learn more and have less opinions in a place like this. Simply because it WILL effect others. Now you may not give a sh..t about others, and that is clear, but most others do.



When you are ready to admit that you "CAN" be wrong, we can talk further. Until then, adios!



Guitarist302008 said:
Great, i'm glad me saying that I wasn't worried about it shows my immaturity. Let us know about the new HD products when they send you samples k?
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