Longevity and "look" of Opti-Coat

Thomas Dekany said:
You are immature. Not one time did you address anything in response to what I was saying about your "opinion". Your issue is simply, that someone "corrected" you. Here is another one. You just can't admit that you are wrong. I told you already, I am not working for anyone. I do not work for HD, do not get free samples from any one, although I did place a pretty large order yesterday with Dr G for Opti Coat and Opti Glass. He asked me if I wanted to try something. So I am receiving some FREE "small" bottles of polishes. BUT, you can also ask any reseller for samples.



Do you go to Meguiar's forum complaining about people using Meguiar's products? Calling them schills? Get a life.



I suggested in my first reply to you to learn more and have less opinions in a place like this. Simply because it WILL effect others. Now you may not give a sh..t about others, and that is clear, but most others do.



When you are ready to admit that you "CAN" be wrong, we can talk further. Until then, adios!



You said you weren't going to talk to me anymore lol! Gotcha ;) Either way, i'm not the one who can't let it go... but that's fine. I don't mind not speaking with you. Actually, i'll just put you on iggy right now... so yes, adios!
 
Scottwax said:
I don't know about Thomas, but I get samples from Optimum, Meguiars, HD, Clearkote, Mitchell & King and others. And it isn't to get the good word out. Its because they want real world testing by people who work on a wide variety of vehicles and have experience with a wide range of products so they know how their stuff stacks up. The only condition is they want my honest opinion.



HD Polish was good enough that after I used up my sample I bought a quart out of my own hard earned money. :)



Scott, I like you... you've helped me a lot with your info. You however, at least admit and have on your profile that you test for them. You use optimum products a lot and you typically will mention an optimum product... but that's fine because yes, they do make good products. What thomas is apparently to dense to see is that I am unbiased toward one product or another. I don't need to buy every single one out there to know what has worked well for me in the past. As was said already by Legacy... he pushes the HD products constantly, which again I don't really care about. My point is simply that he acts high and mighty and that while I have admitted his work looks very nice, I have seen work just as good using products that are not HD and that were not done by him. Obviously there is always someone here who does just as good or better so one does not need to get up on their high horse and show their pics off with just the right lighting, the nice camera, etc and then say "this was all HD that made it look this great", i'm sure it has nothing to do at all with the camera, the lighting, the angle, etc does it? Nope, it's all HD that did it! lol.
 
Sorry Scott.



Guitarist - last time! I do not work for 3D, or test, or affiliated with them in any shape of form. I do not get free stuff from them. I will suggest that you stop accusing me of being dishonest. You don't know me, you don't know anything about me. What is shows about your lack of character is that you can't admit being wrong. Typical narcissistic trait. You can't man up to admitting that you are full of it. Keep accusing me of pushing a product for the sake of what?



Do you prefer if I recommend something I DO NOT use? Does that make any sense to you?



Sorry, if I call you out on your BS. I am definitely not an enabler. I call it like it is. If you don't like that I recommend HD POLISH, well, you can always just go away. Do you know what they say about people who comment on a product they have never used right? Plus I never said it was HD POLISH that created the finish. :wall



You are the keyboard bully, talking about things you have no experience with. Address anything I said - you can't, because you feel you are never wrong.



Once in your life, man up to it. Mommy would be proud of you.



Guitarist302008 said:
Scott, I like you... you've helped me a lot with your info. You however, at least admit and have on your profile that you test for them. You use optimum products a lot and you typically will mention an optimum product... but that's fine because yes, they do make good products. What thomas is apparently to dense to see is that I am unbiased toward one product or another. I don't need to buy every single one out there to know what has worked well for me in the past. As was said already by Legacy... he pushes the HD products constantly, which again I don't really care about. My point is simply that he acts high and mighty and that while I have admitted his work looks very nice, I have seen work just as good using products that are not HD and that were not done by him. Obviously there is always someone here who does just as good or better so one does not need to get up on their high horse and show their pics off with just the right lighting, the nice camera, etc and then say "this was all HD that made it look this great", i'm sure it has nothing to do at all with the camera, the lighting, the angle, etc does it? Nope, it's all HD that did it! lol.
 
anyway, to get back on topic now that I have thomas on iggy... at Dan testing and our debate, I decided to clean off 2 panels of my car which are OC'd with an IPA wipedown I used Collinite 915 on one panel and DG105 on another. Thus far over the OC, I like the 915 look better, but I am waiting to see after the first wash or 2 to see how well each one holds up over the OC. The hood and roof of my car have 2 layers of OC and are still beading nicely and any water pretty much gets blown off of these 2 areas and is dried after a few minutes at highway speed, so I will leave those areas alone for right now. Also, after driving in the rain the other day, the side of the car that was OC'd alone did leave quite a bit of dirt, while the waxed and DG'd panels were much cleaner.



The DG didn't seem to have any issue with the typical way that it just flashes into the paint like OC does ... sort of, and it wiped off clean and without any issue. The 915 seemed to take quite a bit longer to dry. Normally 8-10 minutes and it's pretty well hard as a rock. I let it sit for about 15 minutes. It did come off slick and is still on there, we'll see how long each one lasts. The beading from those 2 panels to the OC panel is very easy to see so it won't be hard to tell.



I may try some powerlock on another panel and some FK1000 on another as well. I also have opti-seal that I will give another whirl with on an area.
 
Thomas Dekany said:
What one should use depends on what look you are more attracted to. Shiny or glossy. If you want that deep wet look, Optimum would be my choice. (Or better yet, HD CUT/HD POLISH) if shiny, use your Meg's stuff.





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Thomas



Did you use HD Polish for all of the cars pictured?
 
Guitarist302008 said:
Scott, I like you... you've helped me a lot with your info. You however, at least admit and have on your profile that you test for them. You use optimum products a lot and you typically will mention an optimum product... but that's fine because yes, they do make good products.



Yeah, Optimum makes great products and Dr. G. is great about working with us detailers to improve and add to his product line. Seems that HD is listening too. I have no idea about any connection between HD and Thomas but don't let a personality conflict keep you from at least trying HD Polish. It truly is a top notch product.
 
Unless I am out, I always finish with HD POLISH. I do have 205, PF, but very rarely used them. I simply prefer more of a wet look over shine.



broker99 said:
Thomas



Did you use HD Polish for all of the cars pictured?
 
Scottwax said:
Yeah, Optimum makes great products and Dr. G. is great about working with us detailers to improve and add to his product line. Seems that HD is listening too. I have no idea about any connection between HD and Thomas but don't let a personality conflict keep you from at least trying HD Polish. It truly is a top notch product.



Oh no.. I don't care about that. I'll try it at some point. To much going on right now though. Baby will be here in a few weeks. I have a job coming up hopefully soon, maybe 2 of them actually. I'll work on my own car with it before I do anyone elses with it, but if I like it then i'll use it.
 
ybajwa said:
How does Optimum Finish compare with HD polish?



I'm sure Scott or some of the other guys that use the Optimum polishes can help you out. I've actually got a bottle coming I traded for some pads I don't use anymore, so I'll try to update you on this. I normally use HD Polish but love to try new stuff out. :)
 
There are many ways to acheive the "point of dimishing returns" in which you can get to this level with the looks you like.

There are many products that great to acheive this level.

It may be HD polish with Opti-Coat.

Or a couple of my favorites HD Speed and Poxy,

a old stand by PO85RD with Zymol Vintage,

and cheaper PO85RD with CG's 50/50 or Meg Ultimate paste wax.

and a excellant product to do a final wipe down CG's V7.

AND EVERYONE HAS THEIR FAVORITE !!! So knowone is right or wrong !!! JMO
 
Guitarist302008 said:
anyway, to get back on topic now that I have thomas on iggy... at Dan testing and our debate, I decided to clean off 2 panels of my car which are OC'd with an IPA wipedown I used Collinite 915 on one panel and DG105 on another. Thus far over the OC, I like the 915 look better, but I am waiting to see after the first wash or 2 to see how well each one holds up over the OC. The hood and roof of my car have 2 layers of OC and are still beading nicely and any water pretty much gets blown off of these 2 areas and is dried after a few minutes at highway speed, so I will leave those areas alone for right now. Also, after driving in the rain the other day, the side of the car that was OC'd alone did leave quite a bit of dirt, while the waxed and DG'd panels were much cleaner.



Cool, glad you are trying it out. I think you'll be pleased with the results of topping OC. I'm sure it won't last quite as long as on bare paint, but you won't be wasting time.
 
ybajwa said:
How does Optimum Finish compare with HD polish?



The look is similar in the end, but HD Polish has more cut and wipes off more easily. Finish looks great but removal can be a bear at times.
 
Dan, look into Hydro 02. Works on bare paint or on coated finishes. Freaky stuff and very durable.



Dan said:
Cool, glad you are trying it out. I think you'll be pleased with the results of topping OC. I'm sure it won't last quite as long as on bare paint, but you won't be wasting time.
 
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