Klasse SG experiance - A MUST READ!

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jgv,



I'm glad that WOO is working for you. The real objective of WOO is ease of use /application with all the benefits of SG. I'm confused as to why people want to wait a whole day for no reason, except unfounded paranoia.



Just try woo and let time be your proof. Simple as that.



You also hit the nail on the head in your second last sentence. SG is a great product, but ppl will not use it if they have to wait 24 hours prior to removal. There are way too many other products out there. That's why this whole nonsense about waiting days prior to removal has to stop. It's insanity, and it will kill klasse...



...for no reason.



Bill.
 
Whatever floats your boat Bill. Im sure some people will try new things and discover that Bills methode is not the only one that works. Its amazing to actualy see what happends to MR. RIGHTS when a different approach is writen about. Anyways, i am going off to better subjects AND YES write more about my experiance with YOUR PRODUCT KLASSE
 
jab said:
Whatever floats your boat Bill. Im sure some people will try new things and discover that Bills methode is not the only one that works. Its amazing to actualy see what happends to MR. RIGHTS when a different approach is writen about. Anyways, i am going off to better subjects AND YES write more about my experiance with YOUR PRODUCT KLASSE
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Look, I'm not gonna lie to you. I think WOO is hands down the best method to use when working with SG. And not because I've been credited with discovering it. It just works so darn well. Why wait a day when you don't have to? I don't think I'm MR. RIGHT, but common sense is important. Common sense would suggest that using the easier way (while achieving the same results) makes more sense. Don't you think?



And of course, please do post your experiences. That IS important, contrary to what you think I think about others opinions.



Anyway, Klasse is ALL OUR product. Just make sure you use it the right (hahahaha) way.



Bill. :lol
 
jab, please understand something, the NEW method is the WOO. As simple as that! The waiting method is the old one, the one used before the WOO. Most Klasse users are changing from the waiting time to the WOO cause it works better and easier.
 
Who ever said anything about waiting 24 hrs? My thread was just an experianced that was too much for Bill to handle.
 
jab said:
We need a real chemist to give thier input on bonding issues. Yes even though this is repetition for you Bill , you may want to stay out of the conversation. I mean you allready know everything about this product..
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Give it a rest, there are already more than one thread discussing the very points you have brought up.
 
jab,



jgv is correct IMHO. SG has been talked to death since I've been a member. And the conversations in the past have usually been about waiting longer. I've been using it 3 years and had tried many variations in wait time. I was and still am slightly concerned with bonding with WOO (why not WOWO ? :D ) but I am also just as curious with bonding in any area that may have been applied a bit to thick that hasn't dried enough to where removal is easy. And since Klasse isn't available to respond to any of these issues we will never know - short of a chemist performimg research.



Bill actually brought to the board a tip he got from a Klasse Rep or contact, etc. And many members tried the new method and liked it - myself included.



I agree with your findings that waiting longer does seem to acheive easier removal but this does not lend itself to a user friendly product - which the WOO method does help acheive.



Just my thoughts.
 
Thanks maxshine , i do agree with you on this. who wants to wait for a long time to get Klasse off, i know i dont. It is just the curiosity of wheather the product is actualy bonding when still wet. I am not going to keep going on about this cause it is getting borring, but the bonding was my main issue.
 
Im not sure what the argument is. I only started using SG about 6 months ago but I never waited a day. Ive always waited about one hour to remove because thats all of the time I could afford.

This was the instructions from CMA,when I bought Klasse.

Apply it to whole car before removing. The longer you leave it, the better. It can be removed as soon as you finish applying it. The key is thin. The thinner you apply it, the faster you can remove it.



They only recommend applying it to the whole car before removal.



This is the Klasse application guide from the CMA website:



IMPORTANT: Do the entire car with High Gloss Sealant Glaze before wiping off residues. (This is different from All-In-One where you can do one section at a time.) The longer you let High Gloss Sealant dry (even overnight) the easier it is to remove.



Wipe off residues with a soft, dry, terry towel or micofiber towel. (The absolute best towel for wiping off High Gloss Sealant is the plush, Magic Towel but any microfiber towel works well.)

Tips on Hand Applying High Gloss Sealant Glaze:





TIP #1 - Instead of water, mist a dry microfiber applicator pad with a quick detail spray such as Eagle One WET Wipe ‘N Shine, Meguiar’s No. 34 Final Inspection, or Eimann Fabrik Clear Pearl. The high lubricity of these products makes application even easier and you’ll use less High Gloss Sealant to cover a given area. If the applicator starts to dry out, give it another mist. I use one mist of lubricant about every three dabs of product.





TIP #2 - Residues should be dry when you buff them. If the residues are still wet, you are using too much water on the applicator or too much product. Buffing wet residues will gum-up wipe towels and could result in streaks or uneven gloss.





TIP #3 - If you experience streaks or films that are difficult to buff off: 1. The surface you’re working on is too hot. 2. You’re using too much High Gloss Sealant on the applicator. 3. You’re not waiting long enough before starting to buff off residues. To remove difficult films: 1. Mist the area with a quick detail spray and wipe the area with a clean towel (microfiber if possible). (or) 2. Apply a nickel size amount of High Gloss Sealant Glaze to a dry applicator pad and wipe over the hazy area until there is almost no residue. Buff the area immediately with a fresh terry towel or microfiber towel.
 
Klassedirect also has another tip (preferable): Apply product to a terry applicator and work it on the surface till it's gone :confused: (and it works well! like the wipe on wipe off but not changing from the applicator to a towel). :nixweiss



I do notice a before/after difference on the surface when I apply SG... Either way!





Oh and IMHO CMA instructions on products are.... CMA instructions, nothing more!
 
Oh man, I wasn't gonna touch this thread with a [whatever], but OK...whichever method you like, use it.



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I use both the wait overnight (on the MPV, I like spending a few minutes on each of two days instead of more time doing it all ONE day) and the wipe-on-wipe-off methods. They both work fine for me. Hey, I've ALWAYS thought SG was easy to use, period.



Do whatever works for you, whatever you enjoy doing, and tell us about it so we can try it. If you don't like how somebody ELSE'S favorite method works for you, then don't use it, and tell us about any pitfalls you're concerned about. But don't knock people for their preference or get all contentious about it.
 
Thank accumulator , thats exactly what i have been saying all along. Im sure MR NORTH is reading this!
 
Accumulator said:
Oh man, I wasn't gonna touch this thread with a [whatever], but OK...whichever method you like, use it.



[major edit prior to posting, eliminating majority of rant..]



I use both the wait overnight (on the MPV, I like spending a few minutes on each of two days instead of more time doing it all ONE day) and the wipe-on-wipe-off methods. They both work fine for me. Hey, I've ALWAYS thought SG was easy to use, period.



Do whatever works for you, whatever you enjoy doing, and tell us about it so we can try it. If you don't like how somebody ELSE'S favorite method works for you, then don't use it, and tell us about any pitfalls you're concerned about. But don't knock people for their preference or get all contentious about it.
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Yes, of course. I do agree with you. But jab is totally panicking 2 days after he's performed woo. He should just ride it out for 3 or 4 months and see how durability, etc are. Once he sees that I'm sure all his concerns will disappear as they have for many of us who have tried woo.



Nothing wrong with waiting an hour, a day, a week, or whatever to remove the sg. If people really want to do that than so be it. But don't start a panicky thread that basically undermines another method EVEN THOUGH many have used it with great success. It makes me wonder if he actually reads the forums or just posts random useless crap whenever he feels like it.



He's resurrected the dead horse and he's beating with a stick as hard as he can.



Oh brother!!!!



Bill.
 
jab said:
Who ever said anything about waiting 24 hrs? My thread was just an experianced that was too much for Bill to handle.
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Oops, I must have missed this one.



I believe the exact number you used was 18 hours. My bad. Sorry. See your first post below.



I get the general impression from the below post that you're seriously questioning the effectiveness of woo and then going on to suggest that users wait as long as possible to remove the SG. This does annoy me. Sorry...



It's not that I can't handle your experience. I'm just annoyed that you won't shut up for 3 days before passing judgement on woo.



Let time tell the story.



Bill.



jab said:
This weekend i had an interesting experiance with Klasse SG. I used it, using the Bill North method- wipe on , wipe off. and in some areas using the quick detail to remove more difficult areas. Everything went as planned. The next day, approx. 18 hrs later, i went out with the family and i noticed that i had missed an area of about 2 by 2 on the back that still had resedue left on it. I began to panick thinking about all the threads that i have read regarding Klasse being left on too long. I was starting to think that it was going to be like glue, and that i would have to press harder leaving a possibility of scrathing the well prepped paint, especially on black. To make a long story short, i alwayes keep a MF towel and a quick detail bottle in my trunk incase of minor bird accidents. I got my towel and quick detail and began to take the old 18 hr left on Klasse resedue off. What i noticed was a surprise, i noticed that without using the quick detail, i was able to take the resedue off very easily. I mean, this stuff came off like if it were baby powder, no smearing, no pressing hard, and no added quick detail. This left me thinking all through dinner with my family. What have i just learned here? Is it possible, that we are taking Klasse SG off way to soon and giving ourselves alot more headaches than we need? Are we so impatient that we cannot wait for at least 1 hr for Klasse to fully powder up and dry before we take it off? My questions to all Klasse users are these, are we letting Klasse do what it is supposed to be doing? Are we not letting it bond as a polymer should? Are we just expecting it to work like a carnuba wax, and expecting it to bond almost immediatly? This experiance this weekend realy left me thinking. Maybee all that work on trying to remove Klasse after applying it, trying to keep smearing from occuring, was just caused by not waiting long enough. I challenge Klasse users to try this. Apply let sit for 1 hr and then remove. See what your experiances are..
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Bill you sound like an old man. Dude get over it, thier are other ways in life... NOT JUST THE BILL NORTH WAY! Get over it your getting borring. Yes i just post whatever the h-ll i want just to piss you off. My way is the only way that i want people to use this product says MR NORTH. That is childs play Bill! ACCEPT THAT OTHERS ARE CURIOUS ABOUT BONDING ISSUES AND THE CORRECT WAY TO USE KLASSE, NOT JUST BECAUSE BILL SAID SO. WHO MADE YOU THE EXPERT, DID YOU ASSIST IN THE MAKING OF KLASSE, BECAUSE IF YOU DID THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO. IF NOT JUST LET OTHERS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE BEST RESULTS. SO TAKE A CHILL PILL BILL!
 
jab said:
Bill you sound like an old man. Dude get over it, thier are other ways in life... NOT JUST THE BILL NORTH WAY! Get over it your getting borring. Yes i just post whatever the h-ll i want just to piss you off. My way is the only way that i want people to use this product says MR NORTH. That is childs play Bill! ACCEPT THAT OTHERS ARE CURIOUS ABOUT BONDING ISSUES AND THE CORRECT WAY TO USE KLASSE, NOT JUST BECAUSE BILL SAID SO. WHO MADE YOU THE EXPERT, DID YOU ASSIST IN THE MAKING OF KLASSE, BECAUSE IF YOU DID THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO. IF NOT JUST LET OTHERS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE BEST RESULTS. SO TAKE A CHILL PILL BILL!
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Scottwax said:
Give it a rest, there are already more than one thread discussing the very points you have brought up.
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Agreed...



Way more than one thread...Press the Search button and you ( jab ) will see, that your "experiance"is as old as this Forum itself



:rolleyes:
 
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