Japanese Paint Sealant Advice

Demon Dave said:
Thanks for the reply. My neighbors Hiace is white, so it's difficult to see the effect on the shine, but from what I've seen it looks OK (IMHO). My Surf is also white, so I don't think this will be too much of a problem. I'm really looking for something that will protect the paint, save me from waxing and if possible last more than a year.



Would it be possible to wax on top of the glass coating in order to increase it's longevity? Toyota mentioned I would need to bring the car back in at least once a year for "sealant maintenance", which would cost around 10,000 yen (that works out a lot cheaper than 30,000 to 40,000 yen every year to have a regular polymer coat renewed...
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Im not sure if the Toyota dealer coating is a true glass coat or just a Polymer masquerading as a glass coat. It might be like the Honda Bright Polmer which does last about 6 month - 1 year.



It would be weary of the dealers though. There are good, but overpriced.



I am searching for a supplier of proper glass coating with another user porta.



I will keep you updated as it is very difficult to find detailled information on the product.
 
Bence said:
Has anyone any empirical experience with for example G'Zox Real Glass Coat, Bliss, D Crystal, Defense Pro, etc., or alternatively Swedecoat, Nyalic, Matrix and the likes?



Matt uses Nyalic, Porta has experience with PPS, Swedecoat...
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Ive used Bliss on a black Toyota. The owner supplied it. Its OK 6 - 12 months. Not a true glass coating but a very strong and expensive polymer
 
pampos said:
Why it makes the paint softer??if it is a ''glass coating'' isn't it more logic to have a ''harder'' paint??
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if the paint is not properly prepared before spraying. My detaillers here rarely clay or even wipe down the paint with a paint cleaner, let alone polish beofre spraying on the coating
 
percynjpn said:
I understand that the new so-called "glass" coatings are made of different chemicals than the traditional "coatings"; as to whether or not they last 2-3 years, do you have any experience with their durability (ie, the ones you've applied the glass coating to)? Maybe my friends "don't know about it" - how about you? If you have any experience, please fill us in - have you seen that kind of durability in the cars you've actually done?
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Well, Ive given a few links to Detaillers that provide the service here. There are a few videos on youtube from porta



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As of yet, Ive only tested the highstreet brands that claim to be glass coatings - Bliss, etc, but arent really.



percynjpn said:


From the cars Ive worked on and seen with the coating - Sonax are trialling some through Este Import - the durability is superb. Strong enough for a fair few coin-washes.



The market for this type of coating is rapidly expanding here/ Ive had requests already for this work.



So you're basing your opinions on what previous detailers have claimed they've done

, not your own actual use and observation of the products? Please report your experiences after you have fulfilled the "requests [you've] already had for this work".



Todd
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Hey, less of the condescending tone there. I am not selling anything. I dont make money typing words into an input box on this forum!



just because you or the poster from post 7 do not know technology or science invloved doesnt mean it doesnt exisit. Solipsism died a death 20 years ago.
 
I have experiences with a coating called "Swedecoat" wich is imported from Japan, I did a mini detail on a car who has been "swedcoated" for 13 months ago and boy this car did sheet water like crazy! And this was after a tar remover, alkalie degreaser and a strong mixture of Allbrites cherry foam.



The look, very reflective but plastic.



I have been testing a coating from Gtechniq, called C1 and this is a similar to the other jap coatings. All of these coating are made of siloxane, wich is a type of silicone.



I would not top this coatings with a wax, but most of the manufacturers have some kind of "water repeller" wich is more or like a QD.



But the car I did have covered over 20000 km and 14 months and it still sheeted like fresh applied Collinite 476...



I guess that Optimum "X" will be a similar coating.
 
So now they've resorted to using spray guns to lend authenticity to their sealant, unless what we're talking about here is just another clearcoat. If you have to spray the "coating" on then why not just pay to have a new car clear coated with an aircraft epoxy clear coat? Then you'd have like a .5 mm of very hard clear which with regualr polishing will last forever and with a good wet sanding will have an absolutely flat reflective surface. Downside is it'll cost like 4 grand, but if you want a real "coating" that's just about the only real deal out there. It will be stone chip resistant and all your problems will be solved lol.



This is what all those coating specialists will have you believe, that the clearcoat present is somehow substandard and delicate to the point that it neads another coat of this special substance. Clearcoats on newer cars can last quite a while, I mean with just minimal maintenance and regular waxing they should already last the life of the car. Isn't that what they've been tested for? I've got an uncle with a 15 year old honda accord that's been waxed every couple months with cheapo turtle wax and it still looks brand new, maybe some slight swirls but nothing that a decent swirl remover can't fix, no 1000 buck sealant ever, only a dab of clear or touch up paint in chips to prevent rusting. All I say is quit using abrasive polishes to remove marring and defects every time you get them and your clear should be as tough as it needs to be and will last a good long time. It's like this on the oil forums too, somebody will claim that you need to use this high buck oil/additive or your engine faces imminent death, it's a catastrophe waiting to happen. But then you see all the people who do regular maintenance with regular dino oil and their engines tend to outlast the guys who put high dollar oil but also self medicate with additives like slick 50, duralube, stp and all sorts of snake oils. Lesson here is just do your regular paint maintenance and you'll be fine. Has anyone ever just kept up with the waxing of their car and all of a sudden their paint failed and they were kicking themselves for not paying 1000 dollars at the dealership for a "coating"? So far I haven't read any.
 
qwertydude said:
So now they've resorted to using spray guns to lend authenticity to their sealant, unless what we're talking about here is just another clearcoat. If you have to spray the "coating" on then why not just pay to have a new car clear coated with an aircraft epoxy clear coat? Then you'd have like a .5 mm of very hard clear which with regualr polishing will last forever and with a good wet sanding will have an absolutely flat reflective surface. Downside is it'll cost like 4 grand, but if you want a real "coating" that's just about the only real deal out there. It will be stone chip resistant and all your problems will be solved lol.

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What a rant! The idea is the minimize the amount of regular maintenance you need to do and to ease what you do do!



Perhaps if you choose to reply you could use paragraphs?



Like I said, i don't have enough technical info to argue either way, but I do know what Ive seen and worked on.



The spraygun is not a ruse to convince. The idea of the pure glass coating is to create a psudeo clearcoat - obvoiusly not as hard as the aircraft expoxy - but harder than tough sealant. Once the coating has cured, It is levelled buy a light polish and then buffed.
 
I know that Bence will go out in the garage as we write this and start prepping he´s car for "X" :rofl
 
pampos said:
Nice write....I can imagine that any company will ever create such a product...If there is such product that means, at least for 5 years, the other companies will not sell polish,sealant,wax,glazes,shampoo, etc etc....That means that Menzerna Meguiar's Autoglym and all the other companies,they have to close their factories forever, something that i cannot even imagine...

Just my thoughts....
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yeah, but many in Dodge City would have said the same thing about their car factories 30 years ago.



I suspect they will either evolve or die.
 
dazzerjp said:
yeah, but many in Dodge City would have said the same thing about their car factories 30 years ago.



I suspect they will either evolve or die.
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I understand that nobody can stop technology,even on car care products, but i guess that because of the big amount of money in this market,they will not 'let them' to have such product...

But as i said before those are just my thoughts,and i would like to have such product on my car.Not for the durability but because of the soft CC, no water to wash my car, a lot of humidity, dust,high temperatures etc etc...

So, from where i could buy it online:D:D??
 
There's no conspiracy by all the wax companies to keep technology from evolving just look at the development of siloxane. Granted it's a great step forward it is not a special coating that increases hardness of the paint as those guys claim. It just help repel water, stains and oxidation. Just as there's no conspiracy to prevent the 100 mpg car, no conspiracy to stop wax developement. In fact there's a prize to develop that 100 mpg car, called the automotive x-prize. But if there were such an easy to apply coating that lasts a long time and protects your paint I would think there would at least be paint shops selling such a fabulous product and it's application to protect paint for up to 5 years, hell I'd buy it too. Yet not one paint shop I know of would sell it. Maybe they're in on it too. They may also be in on faking moon landings, crop circles and alien abductions. Remember the conspiracies run deep lol.
 
We are not talking about a conspiracy? But it seems that not so many on Autopia believes that it exist a coating that have a durability longer then six months...
 
Well siloxanes can bead water for 6 months or longer but your just polished shine won't last that long. But after that 6 months or so even if water still beads your paint won't look all that great. I mean you can apply siloxane based sealant to porous and oxidized paint and it will still look like crap but it will bead water like mad just the same.
 
qwertydude, have you ever tried a coating of this kind?



Theory is nice but I like to approach certain things empirically. I've heard nice evening tales, which were totally different than reality.
 
My own experience as an end-user of a ploymer based coating by this company has been very good. I have my GTR coated once a year for the past 3 years. The cost involves full paint preparation prior to coating. I have not had to wax my car yet. I'm given a bottle of "refresh liquid" that I need to wipe the car down with once every two months. The paint surface remains relatively swirl/water spot free and still beads water even after a year. That said, this year the front and rear of my car is covered in water spots that resulted from me failing to wash it for about a month during the spring. (too busy at work :mad:) In that time rain water and massive amounts of pollen were sitting on the car for an extended period of time. and have left visible traces on the coating. :(



The company itself only guarrantees the coating for a year, but I would say that is probably more accurate for a car that only gets driven at weekends and spends most of it's time under a car port. A daily driver would probably see the coating degrade at a faster rate.



I'm actually booked in to have it recoated next Monday. Normally the process takes two full days, however this time he's asking for 3 full days to fully correct any paint defects and recoat the car.



Overall I'm happy with the polymer coating system I've been using. Certainly it looks better than it would if I attempted to regularly polish/wax the car myself.



I'll try and get some pictures up of the car as it is now, almost a calendar year since it was coated and during that time having only been washed regularly, no wax.
 
Yes I have applied siloxane based products, Liquid Glass being one of them. I stripped my car down with denatured alcohol then used swirl remover. Applied the liquid glass and waited. Water kept beading for four or five months before I got tired of the swirly and marred look of the paint and stripped and waxed periodically after that and am happier with a better looking car that requires slightly more maintenance. I drive a dark blue Chevy Colorado so the paint shows imperfections very easily. So far I like Collinite 845 for durability and a tie between Zymol cleaner wax and Megs NXT for looks (don't know what they changed with the new 2.0 is it like Meguiars NXT Vista? lol? Don't like the white dust of Zymol but do like the results more than NXT.
 
dazzerjp said:
Hey, less of the condescending tone there. .
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I wasn't being condescending, just requesting you base your opinions on direct experience.



I think this is condescending, though:



Perhaps if you choose to reply you could use paragraphs?
 
qwertydude said:
Yes I have applied siloxane based products, Liquid Glass being one of them. I stripped my car down with denatured alcohol then used swirl remover. Applied the liquid glass and waited. Water kept beading for four or five months before I got tired of the swirly and marred look of the paint and stripped and waxed periodically after that and am happier with a better looking car that requires slightly more maintenance. I drive a dark blue Chevy Colorado so the paint shows imperfections very easily. So far I like Collinite 845 for durability and a tie between Zymol cleaner wax and Megs NXT for looks (don't know what they changed with the new 2.0 is it like Meguiars NXT Vista? lol? Don't like the white dust of Zymol but do like the results more than NXT.
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Not to shoot your bird down but LG is totally incomparable with glass coatings. The word "glass" has a completely different meaning in this context.
 
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