Is Zaino full of oils?

[dternst]

Back on topic-why doesn't someone ask Sal for his input? That should settle it once and for all!

I forgot to mention in my previous post, I emailed Zaino regarding this post out of curiousity. Zaino's reply was, "Zaino utilizes a re-wetting agent which is an additive to aid in polish flow out and spreadibility. Most polish/wax technology incorporates a similar ingredient or additive.



This additive will separate slightly when stored over a period of time... Just shake well and it will immediately go back into suspension... "

 

[Scottwax]

I missed the part about that being from Sal himself.

 

[SergC]

He still posted it for public view didn't he? Sal didn't. Further, Sal didn't contact the poster in question to "hype" anything, the member contacted Sal.



So by your theory, if Mike sends someone a Private email in response to a question about Meguairs product, and he states his preference for Meguairs over another product, is he then guilty of hyping too? Even though it was never intended for public viewing?

And he doesn't scream everywhere how great his product is,but I'm sure he is proud of Zaino product, as many of us.

 

[Newport Viper]

I hadn't used my Zaino in a few months. I was shocked:shocked to see this when I picked up the bottle.

On the back of the bottle is says, "Z-2 is a anti-static, non-greasy, non-oily and will get "wetter", "deeper and richer" with multiple coats."



It looks like a 1/4 inch of salad oil on top of the pink stuff. Is it mineral oil? Silicone oil, for ease of application?



What could it be? It has a very oily smell to it.

I couldn't smell the "bubble gum," with all this oil on top of it.



Any guess to what this might be?

OK, Let me bring this back on topic, since I posted it.



I asked a very simple question...



Any guess to what it might be?



The reason I asked this, was because the Z website says...

non-greasy, non-oily



I was pretty sure... all the wax experts here would have an answer?



I thank Dternst for getting the Zaino offical statement.:xyxthumbs

Zaino's reply was, "Zaino utilizes a re-wetting agent which is an additive to aid in polish flow out and spreadibility."



The reason I will now find out if it is an oil...Is because of the contradictory claim of using Dawn to get rid of any oils as a prep.



This is cut and paste from the Z site.



"I would definitely recommend you remove the wax buildup on your paint. Just use Liquid Dawn (hand dishwashingliquid) as a car wash. It has a high alkaline content which cuts right thru carnauba wax, paraffin, silicone oils, etc. This will get your paint finish squeeky clean and wax free."



Why use Dawn as prep., if you "might"be adding more oils?



How will the layers bond, if there is an oil base/ residue between layers?



If there is a chemist in the house, please clarify!



I will be sending off the sample to an independent lab for analisys. There is no current time line. I will annouce here ( this thread) when testing is complete. Do not email or PM me as to the timeline. I will do it ASAP.



Email I received from the lab.



Here is what they said,

"We have seen this type of separation in different types of oil based lapping compounds. If you can get a sample of the oil, we would be glad to analyze it for you. Let me know if you have any more questions."

Sincerely,

Blackstone Labs



Now, if some one wants to save me the lab fee. Please tell me what the dark colored substance is?



Simple straight forward questions. How about some straight forward answers?



By the way, I LOVE:shocked Zaino leather treatment. I have used nothing else for years.

If someone wants to recommend something better, I am open minded enough to try it out.

 

[rstype]

If there is a chemist in the house, please clarify!



I will be sending off the sample to an independent lab for analisys. There is no current time line. I will annouce here ( this thread) when testing is complete. Do not email or PM me as to the timeline. I will do it ASAP.



Email I received from the lab.



Here is what they said,

"We have seen this type of separation in different types of oil based lapping compounds. If you can get a sample of the oil, we would be glad to analyze it for you. Let me know if you have any more questions."

Sincerely,

Blackstone Labs



Now, if some one wants to save me the lab fee. Please tell me what the dark colored substance is?



Simple straight forward questions. How about some straight forward answers?

Bill (DETAILKING) is our in-house chemist. Read his reply.

 

[Newport Viper]

Detailking didn't introduce himself as a chemist. I would like his opinion on my specific questions, and his background to clarify his expertise.

I am willing to listen.

Maybe he can save me the lab fee. Of course, we would have to get all Autopians to agree on his word.

 

[dternst]

If you cared to follow rest of the process. You'd know that you don't apply Z2 or Z5 after washing with Dawn. The surface should be washed with Z7 prior to applying these products.

 

[Newport Viper]

Good point! You are right!

What about having a possible "oil/ substance" between layers?

Turning in for the night...wax peace, out.

 

[Deanski]

Bottom line guys....



Did it do what you wanted? If so great, if not move along!



Most of us that have tried/use Zaino go by what the mfg would recommend to obtain the level of gloss. If not, we work around and find a resolution. If it still doesn't work a quick toss in the trash will do. BTY my Z2 (newer version) has not seperated through winter.



Unless you have purchased cases, what's the point of the lab tests and to blow more money? If you're that unsatisfied, find another polish/sealant/wax that works for you.



Now I see another post of this going on in the NXT question...



Er ah guys? Can we wrap this up please??? :nixweiss



Regards,

Deanski

 

[Corey Bit Spank]

Newport, you're putting gas on the fire. Nothing you have said in this thread thus far has progressed towards a reliable answer. *I* do not consider you a reliable source. Whether other's do here, I don't know.



I give Zaino the respect it deserves as I give every company a certain respect. Do I honestly believe those are oils on top of that bottle? Yes. I don't know for sure, but it's a better guess then colored water.



If you "send" this to a lab and find out that there are oils, well, of course you will because 1) you are looking for something and 2) when you go looking for something, you're bound to find what you want. If could come back saying that it really isn't oil or it has such and such content of such and such substances A B C and X, but you would probably state that it's "just" oil, or some lady with an associates degree in liberal arts chemistry decided that it was "just" oil but she may not be sure because the lab you went to isn't exactly known for anything. Oh, and you're known for being a bit biased.



Anybody that we can trust want to find a lab for this sample?

 

[chris0626]

First, let me admit I'm a Zaino zealot. I had used it on my old white Jag, with awesome results. But over the winter and spring, I had become a Klasse zealot on the champagne-colored Benz. And a couple of weeks ago, when I had to prep the old red Jag for a show with almost no advance notice, I became a Meguiar's zealot for #26 on that car. I've also been a Megs #7 zealot for cars with little time to prep for a car show.



But this past week, I had to prep the white Jag for a show again, and I finally got around to doing a decent prep job. And took the time to do the Zaino (Z2/ZFX) on her again. When I was finished (in less than hour) ... well, all I can say is, it really took my breath away. It had been nearly a year since my last Zaino experience, and in the blink of an eye, I got reminded yet again of why I love this product so darn much.



AND ... that product had been sitting down in my basement detailing cabinet for about 2 years. No separation.



Newport Viper, you've pretty much worn out your welcome and used up any credibility you had, in the course of this thread. For the moment, based on several members' comments, I'm going to lock this thread. I'll leave it to the Detailing Prod forum Moderators to decide tomorrow whether to leave it locked or to open it when there's some actual information, rather than just accusations, to contribute. :wavey