Is Zaino full of oils?

[imported_Aurora40]

Why do you assume that just because it seperates it contains oils?

Well, then why is that assumed about other products? I've seen many a post about UPP being oily and the accompanying separation picture. Heck, it could also be solvents separating out. Who knows? No matter what it is, it won't change the Zaino experience. If it's worked great for you, then it won't suddenly stop working great for you just because of this picture.



All products here should probably succeed or fail more on their merits and less on analysis of bottle separation, smell, MSDS sheets, company rumors, marketing tactics, etc... :nixweiss (not to imply those aren't interesting avenues of autopian discussion, but in reality, the product will work how it works, no amount of scrutinizing or theoretical analysis will change that)

 

[dternst]

The assumption was not made in this post regarding the seperation of other products, only that of Zaino. BTW, NXT also seperates, it's just "hidden" in a purple bottle. For what it's worth, the latest versions of Z2 and Z5, which I've had for over a year, do not seperate.



I forgot to mention in my previous post, I emailed Zaino regarding this post out of curiousity. Zaino's reply was, "Zaino utilizes a re-wetting agent which is an additive to aid in polish flow out and spreadibility. Most polish/wax technology incorporates a similar ingredient or additive."



This additive will separate slightly when stored over a period of time... Just shake well and it will immediately go back into suspension...



Newport seems to have a hidden agenda and seems to have a particular "affection" for Zaino since he has made this same post on numerous forums. I don't quite understand why, after all this time, Newport finally decided to pick up his bottle of Z2. NXT not working and decided to go back to a product with some durability? I don't know what his hang up is, I'm only speculating. I guess if you can't beat'em, flame’em.



This will probably get deleted, since this seems to be a predominately Mequiar's Forum.



Let's see who really should be crowed "King of Hype". I'm sure Meguairs spends millions of dollars on advertising while, as far as I know, Zaino depends mainly on word of mouth. Anyone watched the Speed Channel as of late.



Sorry for the rant but this has just been the straw the broke the proverbial camels back. I'll step off my sopbox now. Thanks for listening to a ranting lunatic.





David

 

[Matt M PA]

dternst....excellent response...not a rant.



I have yet to see this forum delete a healthy debate...so here's hoping this stays on.

 

[TortoiseAWD]

This will probably get deleted, since this seems to be a predominately Meguiar's Forum.

You must be joking . . .



If you have evidence that any moderator has deleted posts that are unfavorable to Meguiar's in an effort to improve their image on the forums, I'd love to see it. I hate being left out of conspiracies.



Tort

 

[dternst]

Sorry Tort, my mistake, I lost my head.

 

[imported_Aurora40]

Newport seems to have a hidden agenda and seems to have a particular "affection" for Zaino since he has made this same post on numerous forums. I don't quite understand why, after all this time, Newport finally decided to pick up his bottle of Z2. NXT not working and decided to go back to a product with some durability? I don't know what his hang up is, I'm only speculating. I guess if you can't beat'em, flame’em.



This will probably get deleted, since this seems to be a predominately Mequiar's Forum.



Let's see who really should be crowed "King of Hype". I'm sure Meguairs spends millions of dollars on advertising while, as far as I know, Zaino depends mainly on word of mouth. Anyone watched the Speed Channel as of late.

What?? What does why he picked his bottle up or Zaino's advertising budget have to do with anything? As far as I know, that picture is factual, whatever the motivation. And my point was simply that if Zaino works great for you, then really that's all that matters. Seeing a picture of it separated won't somehow change the long experience you've had with Zaino, nor your subsequent experience... :nixweiss

 

[dternst]

This is not only a reply to your post. It's a reply to allegations made on several posts made by Newport. I want to ensure that he doesn't "selectively read" and skim over the point to my post, as you did.

 

[topnotchtouch]

The assumption was not made in this post regarding the seperation of other products, only that of Zaino. BTW, NXT also seperates, it's just "hidden" in a purple bottle. For what it's worth, the latest versions of Z2 and Z5, which I've had for over a year, do not seperate.

Have you actually seen this or are you just assuming? I have 3 bottles of NXT Tech Wax and two of them have been sitting on my shelf unused since January and there has been no seperation in either of them.



I too have the latest formulations of Zaino and have not noticed any seperation there either. I also have the older formulations which are seperated. Just as others I am curious as to what the difference is.

I forgot to mention in my previous post, I emailed Zaino regarding this post out of curiousity. Zaino's reply was, "Zaino utilizes a re-wetting agent which is an additive to aid in polish flow out and spreadibility. Most polish/wax technology incorporates a similar ingredient or additive."



This additive will separate slightly when stored over a period of time... Just shake well and it will immediately go back into suspension...

That is clear as mud, what is a re-wetting agent? Do you know? Not trying to bash Zaino but, Sal makes a huge deal about pointing out what is in other products yet no one really has a clue as to what is in Zaino. Since the new formulas do not seem to seperate does that mean they don't have these re-wetting agents?

Newport seems to have a hidden agenda and seems to have a particular "affection" for Zaino since he has made this same post on numerous forums. I don't quite understand why, after all this time, Newport finally decided to pick up his bottle of Z2. NXT not working and decided to go back to a product with some durability? I don't know what his hang up is, I'm only speculating. I guess if you can't beat'em, flame’em.

There are plenty of Zealots on both sides, lets not pretend that Zaino is the poor little abused stepchild.

This will probably get deleted, since this seems to be a predominately Mequiar's Forum.



Let's see who really should be crowed "King of Hype". I'm sure Meguairs spends millions of dollars on advertising while, as far as I know, Zaino depends mainly on word of mouth. Anyone watched the Speed Channel as of late.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Zaino is a small company that sells a niche product to a small number of enthusiasts relatively speaking. The fact that Meguiars advertises doesn't make them the "King of Hype". Sal is just as guilty as anyone else in the "hype" department. Someone posted a quote from Sal the other day where he claimed that Z6 was 100 times better than any other quick detailer out there. You tell me, sure sounds like hype.



I am sure some will take this is a Zaino bash, that is not my intention. This is just my take on what has been said thus far in this thread.

 

[BradE]

Sal is just as guilty as anyone else in the "hype" department. Someone posted a quote from Sal the other day where he claimed that Z6 was 100 times better than any other quick detailer out there. You tell me, sure sounds like hype.

Sal doesn't advertise or "hype" his own products. Sal doesn't post on internet message boards, buy banner ads, sponsor forums, write articles or anything else of that nature. I've tried to get him posting on Autopia several times, and he won't do it. He feels strongly the product needs to stand it on it's own, without pushing on his part.



The Z6 comment was made to someone in a private email, that was not intended for the public to see. Private communications are not even in the same league as the hype we see from many product makers, so I wouldn't go down that road.

 

[Redcar GUY]

This will probably get deleted, since this seems to be a predominately Mequiar's Forum.

David

David, I don’t think that is even close to the truth, just because you see the name of a product in a post a lot doesn’t mean that it is the chosen one of the forum.

:wall





Continue with your previously Scheduled program …

:wavey

 

[topnotchtouch]

Sal doesn't advertise or "hype" is own products. Sal doesn't post on internet message boards, buy banner ads, sponsor forums, write articles or anything else of that nature. I've tried to get him posting on Autopia several times, and he won't do it. He feels strongly the product needs to stand it on it's own, without pushing on his part.



The Z6 comment was made to someone in a private email, that was not intended for the public to see. Private communications are not even in the same league as the hype we see from many product makers, so I wouldn't go down that road.

Brad,



I don't buy that argument at all. Sure Sal may have made that comment in a private email but, it made it to Autopia and what is to say it will stop here? This is how word of mouth works, it is a very powerful marketing tool.

 

[BradE]

Brad,



I don't buy that argument at all. Sure Sal may have made that comment in a private email but, it made it to Autopia and what is to say it will stop here? This is how word of mouth works, it is a very powerful marketing tool.

That's not Sal hyping hyping his own products, that's Zaino users hyping the products. Two very different things. Sal can't control what others do or say, but it seems your content to blame him for it.

 

[topnotchtouch]

That's not Sal hyping hyping his own products, that's Zaino users hyping the products. Two very different things. Sal can't control what others do or say, but it seems your content to blame him for it.

Here is the thread:



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38746&



My mistake Z7 cleans 100 times better than any car wash was the quote. Memory isn't what it used to be. The poster put the contents of the email from Sal in his message. He didn't say this, Sal did in the email message.

 

[BradE]

He still posted it for public view didn't he? Sal didn't. Further, Sal didn't contact the poster in question to "hype" anything, the member contacted Sal.



So by your theory, if Mike sends someone a Private email in response to a question about Meguairs product, and he states his preference for Meguairs over another product, is he then guilty of hyping too? Even though it was never intended for public viewing?

 

[topnotchtouch]

He still posted it for public view didn't he? Sal didn't. Further, Sal didn't contact the poster in question to "hype" anything, the member contacted Sal.



So by your theory, if Mike sends someone a Private email in response to a question about Meguairs product, and he states his preference for Meguairs over another product, is he then guilty of hyping too? Even though it was never intended for public viewing?

I guess we have differing views of "hype". To me hype is making greatly exaggerated or unprovable claims about a product. For example if Sal had said "I feel Z7 is better than any other car wash when used with my system" I would not have considered that "hype". Fact is Z7 doesn't clean 100 times better than any other car wash.



I think we should just agree to disagree here and move on

 

[imported_Intermezzo]

My mistake Z7 is 100 times better than any car wash was the quote. Memory isn't what it used to be. The poster put the contents of the email from Sal in his message. He didn't say this, Sal did in the email message.

"Dude, this stuff is a hundred times better than yours!! "



"No way man! My honey's a hundred times hotter than than that chick!!"



LOL, come on rjstaaf, I think Sal was just saying it as an expression.....not restating results on some controlled testing he did.



There really is no comparison between the hype generated by Zaino vs. the hype generated by Meguiars. But don't take that as a knock on Meguiar's though because there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. As a dynamic, well managed company, I think they are doing an excellent job in promoting their products and adapting well to the shifting market-place as well as fulfilling an opportunity within the enthusiast detailing niche (Thanks largely to the efforts of Mike Phillips).

 

[imported_Intermezzo]

To me hype is making greatly exaggerated or unprovable claims about a product.

You mean sort of like this?



"Engineered to eliminate those fine scratches so you can have a flawless finish." (but yet it contains no cleaners? Oh wait, that's right....it does have cleaners after all)

 

[topnotchtouch]

Actually the quote is correct. So Mike made a mistake in saying that it didn't have any cleaners. He did admit to making the mistake. Not really the same thing.

 

[Scottwax]

Originally posted by dternst

This will probably get deleted, since this seems to be a predominately Mequiar's Forum.

Uh...no. If anything, some of the mods here are more biased towards Zaino than other product lines.

 

[Tim Lingor]

You mean sort of like this?



"Engineered to eliminate those fine scratches so you can have a flawless finish." (but yet it contains no cleaners? Oh wait, that's right....it does have cleaners after all)

What was the purpose of bringing this point up? It has nothing to do with the original topic.





Tim