Is Zaino AIO + Z5>>KAIO + Poorboys Ex??

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davefr

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My mainstays have been Klasse AIO and Poorboys Ex which I've been fairly happy with but the jugs are almost used up.



I'm thinking of switching to the Zaino twins (ZAIO + Z5). Would they deliver better results on dark vehicles? (black + stealth gray metallic)



Should I consider anything from Menzerna or anyone else instead. Or should I stick the my current products?



Here are my goals:



- No more then two products most of the time. (ie ease of use)

- Light swirl removal

- Some forgiveness to working in the sun

- No dusting, hazing or white marks if I accidently get the products on rubber or black plastic. (door handles, moldings, trim)

- Long lasting protection.

- I'm not looking for the absolute ultimate finish but I want to get most of the way there.



TIA
 
I think you will be more than satisfied with the ZAIO. You mentioned swirl removal for one of your criteria. ZAIO doesn't have much swirl removal capabilities but when used with a pc or rotary you can get some very light correction. You will be very happy with the looks, IMHO, and will be extremely pleased with the durability.



Greg
 
There's a lot of good solutions. As a black car owner myself, I'd recommend Vanilla Moose and Collinite 845iw. Zaino is a great pick, but I prefer the deep wet look of VM/845 to the extreme gloss of ZAIO/Z5Pro.
 
I'd probably go with ZAIO and EX w/carnauba. Z5 Pro looks pretty good for a sealant on black (reminds me very much of NXT) but of all the sealants I have used on black, EX w/carnauba is my favorite. Z5 would look really good on the grey though....
 
Scottwax said:
I'd probably go with ZAIO and EX w/carnauba. Z5 Pro looks pretty good for a sealant on black (reminds me very much of NXT) but of all the sealants I have used on black, EX w/carnauba is my favorite. Z5 would look really good on the grey though....
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Scott, what are you seeing on durability for this combo? I never had much luck on past 3 months with the EX.



Greg
 
+1 on the CS



I haven't used it yet (still have z2 and z5), but it looks promising and seems very easy, quick, and long-lasting. Only problem is I don't think it has any filler for small scratches & swirls like z5 does.



Good luck with your decision. I have had great results with the Zaino line.
 
My wife's daily driver is a black Tahoe and I've been more than happy with Zaino.

It has significantly reduced the time that *I used to spend* on finish care.



Here's what I'd recommend if you're considering Zaino.



SWR (Optional): Z-AIO and LC Flat or CCS pads. If your finish is in pretty good condition, then a green German pad and white polishing pad will fit the bill for 99% of your needs.



For VERY light defect removal, cleaning, and prep duties, I'd go with ZAIO, which IMHO gives your paint a better look and additional durability vs. KAIO. If you keep your finish in good condition, and have a regimented wash process, ZAIO should fit the bill. It sounds like you have this part down if your current go to combo is KAIO and EX



For protection: I would pick Z5-Pro as my favorite in terms of ease of use, look, and durability.



If you like using carnauba vs. a sealer, then I'd swap Z5-Pro for Clear Seal, which works great over fully cured carnauba and will give you durable/good looking protection.



I guess that's a long winded way of saying I'd go with ZAIO and Z5 for a solid 2 step, or optionally ZAIO and CS if you plan to toss some carnauba into the mix.



Your other option....



If you're happy with what you've been using then re-order. If you take that path, I would highly recommend substituting KAIO with Prime Strong. They are similar products, but Prime Strong is improved over the current KAIO offering IMHO.





Good luck!
 
GregCavi said:
Scott, what are you seeing on durability for this combo? I never had much luck on past 3 months with the EX.



Greg
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I generally get 4-5 months with EX w/carnauba. No acid rain or industrial fallout around here so most LSPs do reasonably well.



In the end though, I pretty much always go back to carnaubas on black paint. Yeah, sealants last longer but IMO, nothing beats a quality carnauba in looks on solid black paint. I've tried Werkstatt, Klasse twins, Zaino, NXT, Wolfgang, EX w/carnauba, UPP and, especially on my own car, I always go back to carnaubas. Currently using either Clearkote's Carnauba Moose, Pinnacle Souveran, Meguiars #16 and a 50/50 blend of Optimum Car Wax and Werkstatt's Carnauba Jett.
 
mgm121499 said:
If you take that path, I would highly recommend substituting KAIO with Prime Strong. They are similar products, but Prime Strong is improved over the current KAIO offering IMHO.
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Except for solid (non metallic) dark colors, I agree 100%. On solid dark colors, ZAIO has a more carnauba appearance so I'd go with that or Werkstatt's Prime Carnauba instead...although I am guessing that Z5 would bond better to ZAIO than Prime Carnauba.
 
As not a huge fan of Zaino, I would recommend polycharged EX-P if you want durability but definitely think about that before changing. If its light colours then I would recommend Z-CS, looks good on darks too, if you are to head down the Zaino path...
 
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