Is this marring?

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kb798

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Does this look like swirls/marring or streaking/hazing from SG?



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That looks like marring / swirls. It could have been there before you started or it could have come from a dirty wash mit, a bad towel or a polish that had too much abrasive in it.



Good luck,
 
l33 said:
what did you use to apply and take off. Did you do this in the sun?
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I used a Pakshak MF towel to apply and take off in the garage.

ebpcivicsi said:
IMO, that is marring. Probably happened somewhere in the washing/drying stage. Check your tools/process.
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Prior to applying SG, I PC'ed the car with DACP, Menzerna FP, and applied AIO x 1 by hand. I don't have a halogen light, but I did use a flashlight to check for swirls. Prior to applying SG, everything looked great? :confused:.
 
I've tried using a terry applicator for SG, but the applicator itself marred the surface before because it was very cheaply made (from PepBoys). Do you guys use MF applicators? I figured using a MF towel was the best solution for what I had to work with.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Has a wash been done since application?
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Nope. The car hasn't been touched since I applied SG. Should I go over a small area with some AIO to see if anything improves?
 
I would. Just to get an idea, how were the towles cared for? No dryer sheets or fabric softener right? Car was COMPLETELY clean when everything was applied?
 
KB798- Sorry to hear/see what happened on your hood. It does *look* like marring to me too, but it's hard to tell from a picture. It's sorta funny how easily things like that can happen. As previously posted, just a too-coarse towel or a dirty applicator can do pretty horrendous things in no time.



But it might just as easily be SG-hazing, so yeah, try the AIO and see if that fixes it. Fingers crossed and all that....hope you luck out and it's just the SG.



I apply SG with a foam applicator (the regular "wax applicator" type) and remove it with a MF. You could use a MF for both application and removal if you prefer.



[Edit:] Having looked at the pic again, I suggest that you work on your technique a bit. The sort of irregular, broad marks in that pic don't have the "obviously careful and meticulous technique" look about them. Don't mean that as a flame, just constructive criticism :cool: Working inch-by-inch can be a pain, but it's more likely to yield uniformly great results.
 
I'm finding Pakshak mf applicators to be surperb for applying SG, spray it first with qd, add your small amount and apply
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I would. Just to get an idea, how were the towles cared for? No dryer sheets or fabric softener right? Car was COMPLETELY clean when everything was applied?
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I think the towels were cared for very well. All dirty towels were pre-soaked in hot water with Woolite, then I hand-wash them to get the tough stains out. Then I throw them in the washing machien for 3 cycles with Woolite (no vinegar at end of rinse cycle) and dry them in the dryer with no dryer sheets.



As for the car being completely clean, I tried to keep the surface clean to the best of my abilities. I worked in a garage, and there are always going to be airborne contaminants that can land on the surface, so it's hard to make sure nothing gets on the paint. However before I apply anything I always like dust off the surface by swatting at it with a towel (not rubbing).

Accumulator said:
I apply SG with a foam applicator (the regular "wax applicator" type) and remove it with a MF. You could use a MF for both application and removal if you prefer.



[Edit:] Having looked at the pic again, I suggest that you work on your technique a bit. The sort of irregular, broad marks in that pic don't have the "obviously careful and meticulous technique" look about them. Don't mean that as a flame, just constructive criticism Working inch-by-inch can be a pain, but it's more likely to yield uniformly great results.
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I will definitely give a foam applicator a try the next time I apply SG.



Also, no offense taken...if anything I greatly appreciate your constructive criticsm :). The broad marks you're talking about, do you mean it should look straight and horizontal rather than the "arc" shapes? I tend to use more of a natural, elliptical motion rather than a straight, horizontal back and forth motion. I suppose I should be more aware of that the next time. I also tried going in different directions when I applied versus removing to see which method is marring the surface...but I can't remmeber which was which :doh:
 
Hi kb798,



I'm sorry to say it but it does look like swirls/marring. Were you applying any pressue while applying SG?



I would not recommend using a mf towel to apply products. The mf towels are meant to remove/buff off polish, wax, sealants, interior/exterior dressings, etc.



I would recommend using either a foam applicator to apply either wax or sealants.



With Aloha,

Ranney :)
 
I was going to ask if you had to apply a lot of pressure to either apply or remove the SG, but Ranney beat me to it. :) I've found Klasse products difficult to remove in the past (probably because I put too much on?), and I was very worried I was causing marring while I was buffing it off.
 
The last time I applied SG, about a couple of weeks ago, it cost me 2 arms to buff off the SG. The main reason for that was because I applied waayyy to much.



This time, I applied an extremely miniscule amount - about half the size of a dime per half a body panel. I drive a relatively small car so it was enough anyway. When I was buffing off the SG, it took less pressure than before, but it wasn't as easy as applying and removing S100 for example.



This is the second attempt of using SG...and I've yet to still get phenominal results. At least I improved from last time, but man this is some hard work :(. When I did the Menzerna Twins and S100 everything worked great but I want the durability of the Klasses since the car will be parked outside for almost a year.
 
kb798- I'm really glad you took my constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was intended. I sometimes worry that we slam newbies too hard and can be offputting.



What I mean is that it looks like you were covering large areas with each stroke/motion and that I *think* I can even see where the motions overlapped. A more, uhm, meticulous application would be so uniform that you wouldn't be able to see how the product was applied; would all "blend together", a uniform haze that would be barely dicernable.



You don't have to apply much (if any) pressure when applying SG. It'll bond to the surface if/n it touches it. You don't need to apply so much SG that you can actually/clearly see it on the paint. I go by feel, areas that have (a very little) SG on them feel different from "bare" areas when the applicator goes over them. It'll "glide" more where there's already SG and it'll "drag" a little on the bare spots. Only apply enough to go from "drag" to "glide". If you work systematically, you can cover a whole panel uniformly/evenly, without missing any spots, even though you can't really judge your progress by looking at it. This is one of those "trust me, it'll become second nature" situations. Thinking in terms of one-panel-at-a-time can help with this.



Straight, arced, circular, etc., the motion shouldn't make a difference (the PC goes in all sorts of, uhm, "random orbital" :D directions and *it* doesn't cause any problems). It's just that if you *are* marring things, straight, back-and-forth scratches are less noticeable to most people.



When SG is on *very* thin, it comes off very easily. I just fog the surface with my breath- the condensation not only helps with the removal but it also lets you see the miniscule amount of SG on the paint.



If you can believe it, your "half a dime per panel" sounds like *way* too much to me, and I'm used to using SG on a minivan! I just shake the bottle against the applicator, getting a few tiny drops of SG on it, then I rub the pad against itself to spread the SG out. Soon the pad gets damp with SG (rather than "saturated" with it). Again, just enough to lessen the "drag" as the applicator goes over the paint.
 
I can't believe "half a dime per panel" is still too big :eek:. I don't think this bottle will ever run out :p. Anyway I applied some NXT today to see if the marring will disappear and if the SG residue goes away. The SG residue went away, and the NXT did a so-so job on hiding the swirls. I guess I'm gonna give the car another polish job probably next month...and I'll post on the results.



Gosh detailing is just a pain in the a** sometimes isn't it? :mad:
 
kb798 said:
I can't believe "half a dime per panel" is still too big :eek:. I don't think this bottle will ever run out :p. Anyway... The SG residue went away, and the NXT did a so-so job on hiding the swirls. I guess I'm gonna give the car another polish job probably next month...and I'll post on the results.



Gosh detailing is just a pain in the a** sometimes isn't it? :mad:
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Yeah, once you really buy into the whole "high standards" thing it can be a little frustrating until you get a handle on it.



My bottle of SG has done a *lot* of applications on a *lot* of vehicles, and it'll still last me for many years :D



So it *was* marring after all, huh? Get some good MFs and foam applicators. Polishing marring out is a lot tougher than just not getting the marring in the first place.
 
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