Is it worth it

CalgaryDetail

CalgaryDetail

Mike
After watching the britsh detailing video i was intruged at the zymol. I know a few people have tried the vintage (which i think is the best deal beacause it comes with life time refils) but i was wondering what people thought. Was it worth the money, if not how much would you pay. Also what would you say would be a better wax as a replacment. If it is really worth 2g for a lifetime supply i may consider it. Also i would like your opions onthe other "less expesnive" waxes. Thankx
 
years ago I was using only Zymol Carbon at $70 per jar. I thought it was the best, you could apply it over black plastic trim with no wax residue.

It shined and lasted, but I cant remember how well to compare to $16 NAtty's
 
PM Jngrbrdman. He had a buddy give him some. I believe he said it was no better than some OTC products.
 
Jngrbrdman gave me a sample Zymol Vintage that I tested this winter along with three other fine carnuabas. All were applied the same way. Here is a link to my test if anyone is interested. http://www.detailcity.org/forums/ls...5540-carnuaba-wax-comparisons.html#post161601

Zymol Vintage was not applied by hand. Mikey C informed me that Vintage needs to be applied by hand to reach optimum results. I felt that I did not have large enough sample to do that. Plus I wanted to keep the playing field level. Treating them all the same.

IMHO, Vintage did not fair well and is definately not worth the cost.
 
I seem to recall that the "Lifetime" refills are limited to 1 per year. Assuming you have an extra 2 grand kicking around, you could buy 100 years worth of $20 wax-1 bottle a year- (Assuming no shipping expenses added to the Zymol). As it turns out, I have a sample too. Haven't tried it yet, but *I* don't think I'll be wowwed enough to part with that kind of money. But, I guess if I was fabulously wealthy I could see myself doing that... Just for kicks and such. ;)
 
so after staring this thread and looking through the forum, plus the guys site ive come to relise that spending 2g on wax is well worth it if you do alot of high end cars soley fro the fact that it is an add on. On his site he charge an extra 100 pounds to use the wax. As i was thinking b4 looking at his site why not charge an extra 50 bucks, use it as an add on. I know many peopkle who want to say they haev the most expsive. So assuming 1 jar does say 10 cars, you charge 50 extra. Thats 500 extra a year. That pays for the wax in 4. If you are bussiness fro more the 4 years yu are making very good profits. After some thought and reseach ive decided its not worth it for the avg pwerson but is for a shop doing high end cars.
 
From reading the forums, I would say its not worth it. Not only is it expensive to buy, but from some of the other reactions it does not even compare to some Over the counter waxes. So from those 2 facts, I would say, its not worth it.
 
I read the dude sites and somethings just don't make any sense. He claims 5 coats of this vintage will give 1-3 years hard shell protection.

Its something to think about. The wax is originally hard and you have to use your hands heat to make it soft enough to apply. So when it cools it should get hard. But what happens when the car is seating in the sun?
 
The idea of heating it up makes sense, its what you do on any wax, when you use a pc or your arm you are melting a small layer of wax onto the paint, hense why it sticks and hense why the harder you work the better it works. I think this is just a hard wax that needs to be heated up, it would be like leaving any car in the sun, not good but no damge to the wax
 
MrRogue said:
From reading the forums, I would say its not worth it. Not only is it expensive to buy, but from some of the other reactions it does not even compare to some Over the counter waxes. So from those 2 facts, I would say, its not worth it.
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There's no arguing Zymol is expensive. As a longtime Zymol user I would say that I try new LSPs all the time and always return to Zymol because I like it the best. This being said I would like to note that I have only ever bought Concours ($100) and the Pebble Beach sampler ($179) which has 4 oz. jars of their three more expensive waxes including Vintage. I think the PB sampler is no longer sold.

I would be an idiot if I said that similar results couldn't be achieved with far, far cheaper products. However, I'm not sure where these opinoins came from that some OTC products are better than Zymol. This is absolutely not true. My experience tells me that Zymol gives me a wetter & deeper shine than any other boutique or OTC product I've tried and I've tried quite a few like Pinnacle Soveran, P21S, DP Max Wax, Menzerna FMJ, Wolgang Sealant, Megs #16, and many others. IMO it all comes down to how picky you are about your car and how much the extra money matters to you.

Like many detailing products there is a bit of a learning curve and I find most of the negative opinions come from people who have tried it once and given up. Also, a lot of negative opinoins come from people who buy the low end OTC Zymol which is garbage IMO (I've tried it).
 
so today i contacted Zymol to awnser a few of my qustions. I was very intresting, i foudn otu that it is a lifetime supply, refiable whenever you need it. You pay for shipping to and from the factory, i was told it takes about 2-3 weeks to get the order back to you. Also i found out were they make the money is on the hd cleanser, they only have the 6 oz bottles so thats the catch. Ive decided if and when i open a shop it will be mroe then worth it. maybe not the royal ay 8-9g us. But the vinatge at 2, i denity think, if in the right market can be a very good upsell, ad extra 100 bukcs a detail, to me sounds very worth it. Also it would be the type of thisn (with the free refils) that i think would be a good freebie, a 100k+ car comes in, give them a free zymol vintage wax and get them hokked on "the best". I know i have never tried and but the marketing idea is simplay a good one. I think i answerd m on question. What do you guys think with this new revilation?
 
So, you have to send the empty jar back to them? Do they replace it if it cracks in transit?
If it takes around 3 weeks to ship back, maybe 1 week to ship to them, it would be about 1 month round trip that you'd be without wax (unless you just scraped out the wax, put it in another jar and fired the empty jar off for a refill ASAP). If you were a business, you'd need to be able to last a month on 1 jar. How many cars do they think you will likely be able to do from a jar applying it via the heat of your hand and massaging it in? One jar a month=12 a year. Let's assume it is the equal of the $70 Pinnacle. That's 28.6 jars. (No S+H factored in.) You'd "recover" the cost in about 2.5 years. The rest of the cost would, of course, be incurred from the S+H. Wher is the factory? Did they mention how much S+H is on average?
However, I suppose a person could also "rebottle" any left over wax and try to sell it privately to "interested" parties that weren't willing to spend $2,000 on 1 wax. :dnaughty:
 
I think its one of thoser products that is worth it for some and not others. I get what your satying in that its an expsnive wax. However i think as an upgrade it is a good idea, if you could use a jar a month and up sell for 100 its well worth it. Also i know if i buy it i will rejar it not to sell but to have durnig shipping times. The first day i get it i would trasnfer it then send it back for a refeil I was told anytime no q's asked. I feel its a products you cant look at as a use on everything, have it as your only wax. I think if the market is right its a great product. For example my freinds dad is looking at buying a new f430 is phenoix. He was at a dealership somewhere(id assume in arizona) an asked about taking care of it. He was recomened using zymol. So he now has the idea that he NEEDS zymol. So like i said its one of those products that has to be looked at induvualy. I know personaly when i open my shop, evently it will be on my shelf (well in my safe)
 
CalgaryDetail said:
so today i contacted Zymol to awnser a few of my qustions. I was very intresting, i foudn otu that it is a lifetime supply, refiable whenever you need it. You pay for shipping to and from the factory, i was told it takes about 2-3 weeks to get the order back to you. Also i found out were they make the money is on the hd cleanser, they only have the 6 oz bottles so thats the catch. Ive decided if and when i open a shop it will be mroe then worth it. maybe not the royal ay 8-9g us. But the vinatge at 2, i denity think, if in the right market can be a very good upsell, ad extra 100 bukcs a detail, to me sounds very worth it. Also it would be the type of thisn (with the free refils) that i think would be a good freebie, a 100k+ car comes in, give them a free zymol vintage wax and get them hokked on "the best". I know i have never tried and but the marketing idea is simplay a good one. I think i answerd m on question. What do you guys think with this new revilation?
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I don´t think it´s really workable just because ZYMOL is selling the $10 CRAP AT PepBoys and AutoZone.

Customer buys the $100 upgrade after a looooong sales pitch. First he really can´t see any difference from the FMJ job other than FMJ seemed to bead better.

Next he brags to his buddy about the secret ZYMOL formula that he paid an extra bill for and his buddy tells him he got hosed because that´s the stuff in Pep Boys for $5.

No repeat there.
 
7tcbody said:
I don´t think it´s really workable just because ZYMOL is selling the $10 CRAP AT PepBoys and AutoZone.

Customer buys the $100 upgrade after a looooong sales pitch. First he really can´t see any difference from the FMJ job other than FMJ seemed to bead better.

Next he brags to his buddy about the secret ZYMOL formula that he paid an extra bill for and his buddy tells him he got hosed because that´s the stuff in Pep Boys for $5.

No repeat there.
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I think you really raise a great point. Zymol did such a great job marketing their product for so many years and getting people to believe they "needed" it. People buy Zymol all the time and they pay a lot of money for it. Coming out with the OTC Zymol IMO was not the best move. I'm sure they sell tons of it, but IMO it devalues the Zymol brand image. I mean you don't see a $10K sub compact car with a Ferrari logo on it do you?
 
I have used the Concours and can say it looked awesome but I do not like applying it by hand. I seem to induce more scratches that way. I also got the same resilts with PS. Does anybody know if Zymol is more durable than the Pinnacle? They do smell great if you do not mind paying for the odor.
 
For the Zymol users out there. If your paint is already perfectly prepped do you still need the HD Cleanse? Can you go right over Poorboys 1 or MIP with the Zymol wax and get the same results? How about topping a sealant with it, yes/no?
 
I have/and would go with the sampler myself . Awax that costs 1500 even for free refils is crazy its just not going to make your car look any better IMO. I have the sampler and keep it in the frig and it lasts forever. If you really think there is a market for charging 100.00 extra for top of the line zynol get the sampler and let time decide. I love zymol and applied it and 3 other waxes to my black 96 lexus over 3 coats of WG sealant and could not see a difference from any of them. I still believe its all in the prep work myself. Lots of toppers out there are great and zymol for that kind of money is just not worth it.
 
Well I did some calculations to see how many refills will be needed to break even with the same pricing with Natty's. Lets see if this makes any sense:
Nattys:
$15.95 / 8 oz = $1.99 per oz.

Zymol Vintage:
$1852 / X = $1.99 per oz.

X=$1852/$1.99
X=930 oz

Each bottle of Zymol is 22 ounces so that is 42 refills.

So 930 ounces of Zymol will be needed to break even (without shipping charges). That is 116 jars of Natty's. I think this makes sense... hopefully.
 
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