I'm perfectly fine with competition, but this guy has seriously pissed me off...

BOB, yes i have some more info on him, and the **** show story banter between all of us, but I have put it behind me and am moving on. It does no good to keep harboring on that guy...I was roped in, came to a fork in the road and took the wrong direction. I have since made a Uturn and gotten back on the right track! Im over it, I just lost a tub of wolfgang fuzion wax to him...



you have a thriving business, I have a thriving business, lets put more effort into those than into wasted time and energy on someone else...just my thoughts!
 
toyotaguy said:
BOB, yes i have some more info on him, and the **** show story banter between all of us, but I have put it behind me and am moving on. It does no good to keep harboring on that guy...I was roped in, came to a fork in the road and took the wrong direction. I have since made a Uturn and gotten back on the right track! Im over it, I just lost a tub of wolfgang fuzion wax to him...



you have a thriving business, I have a thriving business, lets put more effort into those than into wasted time and energy on someone else...just my thoughts!
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To some extent I get what you are saying Eric, however the statement "For evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" is coined for a reason and I am not letting Andy get away with anything, and I can retrieve your tub of wax for you if needed..............lol. This is why bad conduct is tolerated.....because it is allowed to happen in the first place, Andy is a child that needs correction(50 year old child at that) and he has done what he does to dozens of people that I KNOW OF.



There are times like the fork in the road as you stated where you look in the mirror and ask yourself "Am I a man or a mouse?", you are a young guy and when you are oldness like myself later you will look back and say to yourself I was part of that and found out the truth and did nothing............ as Andy is still doing what he does in my opinion and lie and lie and lie............... you have read Anson's post where Andy finds a lawyer who does not fact check things concerning Andy and signs off on a cease and desist letter and you are fine with this?.



Putting your head in the sand will not change anything, and "God forbid" someone like Andy or him target your business like he did mine, only difference between us is I "Brook no s**t" and people find this out with the quickness. This situation is a example also of why society is in the state is in today as people are allowed to "Do what feels good" without taking accountability for thier actions and not having respect for others and embellishing things about themselves to epidemic levels......hell it's a "Pandemic problem".



Do what you want Eric but if another detailer gets "Targeted" like Anson did and he is someone you are friends with what would YOU do then??, you have a descision to make and you should choose wisely.
 
Almost forgot.............the daily update, one of the "Other things" I found out through the grapevine was the claim I did not work on "high end cars" back in the Nineties and was intimated I had only been in business since 2006................. well the following pics dispell this with a pic of a Ferrari TR 92 model year I was working on in 1997-98 and the pics of two Diablos 99 VT Roadster and SV, also Andy as you are always railing on me being a "Fatboy" I was fighting at the time these pics were taken (246lbs) as opposed to the present not so lean (267lbs) I am now..............everytime you tell a lie Andy I own you again and again......... "The Real Auto Concierge" 11 "Mr Pantsareoff" 0 scoreboard once again.



Note the lack of grey hair...........



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Circa 2000-2001



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Damn Bob - you could have passed for Arnold Schwarzenegger's younger brother!



I skimmed though the HPD - The Front Page forum and couldn't help to notice such a lack of detailer interaction and display of their work. I wonder what it would take to have more people posting their work there? There seems to be both a general detailing section and another sub-forum this guy sponsors.



Looks like Andy is expanding his operation:
After several weeks of planning, I am pleased to announce that next week begins construction for our new Houston location inside the Annex Houston facility. Annex Houston is a 40k sq. ft. automotive storage facility in The Heights. Once construction is complete (mid October) we will begin operating as our new Houston location, servicing current and future clients as well as Annex Houston clients (at a 20% discount). Our Katy location will continue to operate on a limited basis.
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Oh gee, a 20% discount speaks volumes.....
 
I like this sentence: "...we will begin operating as our new Houston location, servicing current and future clients ..."



I guess that's what we call 'air buffing"...
 
David Fermani said:
Damn Bob - you could have passed for Arnold Schwarzenegger's younger brother!



I skimmed though the HPD - The Front Page forum and couldn't help to notice such a lack of detailer interaction and display of their work. I wonder what it would take to have more people posting their work there? There seems to be both a general detailing section and another sub-forum this guy sponsors.



Looks like Andy is expanding his operation:



Oh gee, a 20% discount speaks volumes.....
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This I will not comment.. I've got lots of inside stories of this as well but choose not to post here.



I'm not too worried about the forums here. All the local Houston forums moderators are great friends of mine, they've been bugging me to become a sponsor without paying a dime. I told them to wait for good things to come, my shop, and I'll start posting Autopian style making everyone proud here. Including HPD....
 
Haha! I wish someone would contact Paul Dalton about this problem...



Andy "Pantsareoff"

"Modern luxury and performance cars can cost as much as a house or condo, yet lose their value quickly if unloved or uncared for. Even the "cared-for" cars can experience a lose in value if treated incorrectly. Every time a car is washed with a bucket and sponge, there is a risk that microscopic grains of dirt are being rubbed into the gleaming paintwork, causing swirl marks, marring and even scratches.



Paul safeguards your investment: regular treatments will preserve the quality of your car's paintwork, ensuring that depreciation is minimized when you sell it on. And costly resprays can be avoided, saving thousands of dollars (a respray on a Ferrari 458 can cost up to $20k and will severely affect the value of the car).



Plus there's nothing like a swirl free finish to make you fall in love with your car all over again."



vs



Paul Dalton

"Modern luxury and performance cars can cost as much as a small flat or house, yet lose their value quickly if unloved or uncared for. And even the cared-for cars can lose their value if treated incorrectly. Every time a car is washed with a bucket and sponge, there is a risk that microscopic grains of dirt are being rubbed into the gleaming paintwork, causing swirl marks.



Paul safeguards your investment: regular treatments will preserve the quality of your car's paintwork, ensuring that depreciation is kept to a minimum when you come to sell it on. And costly resprays can be avoided, saving thousands of pounds (a respray on a Lamborghini Murcielago can cost up to £20k).



Plus there's nothing like a swirl free finish to make you fall in love with your car all over again."
 
First thing I thought of when reading this thread and looking at his advertising materials/website is he's really trying to emulate Paul Dalton. I guess that proves it doesn't it. Reminds me of old Holden showing up on another detailing forum and running his mouth. After calling him out he started throwing out thinly veiled threats at me too regarding messing up my referal business. We all know how that turned out :yawn:





anson89 said:
Haha! I wish someone would contact Paul Dalton about this problem...



Andy "Pantsareoff"

"Modern luxury and performance cars can cost as much as a house or condo, yet lose their value quickly if unloved or uncared for. Even the "cared-for" cars can experience a lose in value if treated incorrectly. Every time a car is washed with a bucket and sponge, there is a risk that microscopic grains of dirt are being rubbed into the gleaming paintwork, causing swirl marks, marring and even scratches.



Paul safeguards your investment: regular treatments will preserve the quality of your car's paintwork, ensuring that depreciation is minimized when you sell it on. And costly resprays can be avoided, saving thousands of dollars (a respray on a Ferrari 458 can cost up to $20k and will severely affect the value of the car).



Plus there's nothing like a swirl free finish to make you fall in love with your car all over again."



vs



Paul Dalton

"Modern luxury and performance cars can cost as much as a small flat or house, yet lose their value quickly if unloved or uncared for. And even the cared-for cars can lose their value if treated incorrectly. Every time a car is washed with a bucket and sponge, there is a risk that microscopic grains of dirt are being rubbed into the gleaming paintwork, causing swirl marks.



Paul safeguards your investment: regular treatments will preserve the quality of your car's paintwork, ensuring that depreciation is kept to a minimum when you come to sell it on. And costly resprays can be avoided, saving thousands of pounds (a respray on a Lamborghini Murcielago can cost up to £20k).



Plus there's nothing like a swirl free finish to make you fall in love with your car all over again."
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toyotaguy said:
hahaha, he didnt even change his name correctly! WAJ (what a joke)
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You will comment on Anson's post .......but I ask you something about this and .........................bupkis, give it up Eric with "The quickness" or I will post what happened concerning the "Three musketeers" on L4P..............all of it.



Should have not commented on this thread unless you were prepared to add something, so start spilling the "Beans".
 
Auto Concierge said:
You will comment on Anson's post .......but I ask you something about this and .........................bupkis, give it up Eric with "The quickness" or I will post what happened concerning the "Three musketeers" on L4P..............all of it.



Should have not commented on this thread unless you were prepared to add something, so start spilling the "Beans".
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Let's not strong arm Eric into this debacle.... We all have our own way of dealing with drama and Erics seems to differ from yours bob and that is ok.



Different strokes.....
 
Seriously BOB, whats your deal? I dont care to deal with it. I'm not trying to re-hash old drama. Its just like something else that happened in my life that cost me a lot of money, lots of time in life, and affected my college life...I am over it and have moved on.
 
toyotaguy said:
Seriously BOB, whats your deal? I dont care to deal with it. I'm not trying to re-hash old drama. Its just like something else that happened in my life that cost me a lot of money, lots of time in life, and affected my college life...I am over it and have moved on.
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What's MY DEAL.....................are you serious Eric!, you have forgotton what Andy and YOU and Mr AC did??. Intimating I filled finishes.....yukked it up on L4P because you thought I was weak and Andy was going to put you guys in his "Shop" or whatever was promised(Proven to be a lie of course) talked poop about me to others and it it got back to me(How could it not).



Strong arming you is not the description(Others who do not know what went down need to find out before they comment in the future on matters concerning myself). You opened the door and I always left you out of things(And have for a longtime as you know this) and you felt bad as you knew you hitched your wagon to the wrong train and were concerned about the possible conversations we might have had in private..............



You have a guy still doing shady stuff......to others and you know what this guy is about and took the easy way out and hid in the shadows when Ritchie and myself put it on the line concerning this "Nutjob" (In my opinion of course), so the Bob's a bully thing does not fly here and in other recent posts I make when I expose embellishment and all manner of "A**hattery, when you do and say stuff sometimes there will be a price to be payed. ..........be a man and back up what was done so people know the truth about what/when/how because alot of people cannot understand my continued fighting mindset.............................maybe you would understand if somebody tried to copy what you do and your reputation.....................oh wait nobody is.
 
Auto Concierge said:
What's MY DEAL.....................are you serious Eric!, you have forgotton what Andy and YOU and Mr AC did??. Intimating I filled finishes.....yukked it up on L4P because you thought I was weak and Andy was going to put you guys in his "Shop" or whatever was promised(Proven to be a lie of course) talked poop about me to others and it it got back to me(How could it not).



Strong arming you is not the description(Others who do not know what went down need to find out before they comment in the future on matters concerning myself). You opened the door and I always left you out of things(And have for a longtime as you know this) and you felt bad as you knew you hitched your wagon to the wrong train and were concerned about the possible conversations we might have had in private..............



You have a guy still doing shady stuff......to others and you know what this guy is about and took the easy way out and hid in the shadows when Ritchie and myself put it on the line concerning this "Nutjob" (In my opinion of course), so the Bob's a bully thing does not fly here and in other recent posts I make when I expose embellishment and all manner of "A**hattery, when you do and say stuff sometimes there will be a price to be payed. ..........be a man and back up what was done so people know the truth about what/when/how because alot of people cannot understand my continued fighting mindset.............................maybe you would understand if somebody tried to copy what you do and your reputation.....................oh wait nobody is.
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Auto Concierge said:
Im sorry...........were you speaking?, never interrupt when the grown ups are talking....it is not polite.
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Grown ups use proper grammar and punctuation. Get back to me when you can master that.
 
He never promised me anything

He never did anything for me

He never did anything to/for my business

I saw what was going on and realized my ignorance and you and I talked it out and I thought we were good, I talked to Dave and settle things via PMs on L4P.



Dont put yourself on above the bar BOB, no one is copying you! How do you know people arent calling me up asking me how to fix this or that while detailing their car, or emailing for product suggestions and how to use them, or saying I dont care what it costs, I want you to work on my car.!? you are not the only one who corrects paint and does what we do...ferrari, bentely, porsche, BMW, etc...its all paint BOB



So yeah, stop trying to talk down to me telling me I am less of a person for not doing something about it when it doesnt involve me! I dont get into others peoples drama for the fun of it! All you are doing is stirring the pot and creating more drama, let Anson deal with it how he sees fit, its probably different than what you would do.
 
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