I'm about to quit using Meguiar's Products...

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Intermezzo said:
Actually, all waxes and sealants contain some form or combination of silicone & siloxanes. And all waxes and sealants have a solvent (Pet Distillate, mineral spirit..etc). In fact, most waxes are loaded with silicones. Solvent content plays no role in whether or not a car will bead or sheet because it has pretty much evaporated minutes after applying the product.
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Not true. Try wiping some non-chlorinated high grade solvent on a panel and see if it beads water after a day. It will. The residue from the solvent will still bead water.
 
Oh I get it now.... Since #26 was designed to sheet, instead of bead water, you'll start to see the sheeting after it beads for about 6-8 weeks. K00L! :rolleyes:



#26 is a fine wax but these kinds of marketing gimmicks sort of go in one ear and out the other for me.
 
Intermezzo said:
Oh I get it now.... Since #26 was designed to sheet, instead of bead water, you'll start to see the sheeting after it beads for about 6-8 weeks. K00L! :rolleyes:



#26 is a fine wax but these kinds of marketing gimmicks sort of go in one ear and out the other for me.
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I had the same conversation with a manufacturer regarding his paint sealant and he explained to me that the petroleum distillates were required to make the product workable and once they wore off (usually a week to two weeks) the sheeting action would begin. I personally have never been much of a meguiars fan either.
 
The thing about that is the guy didn't give two hoots about #26. He was just on a Gold Class tyrade - why? Because that's where Meguiar's spends the majority of their marketing money.



I'm pretty much over it now, and have a good laugh about it when ever the subject comes up. :)
 
Scottwax said:
sorry you had such a bad experience and I would agree that the person you spoke to was very unprofessional in his dealings with you. However, I am not sorry enough to stop using DACP and SFP. :p
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Before I came here, I was strictly a Meguiar's user with the exception of wheel cleaner. However, upon coming here, I managed to learn of new products that were more effective and made the job easier.



Now, with that said, does this mean I am going to stop using Meguiar's products because of the asinine attitude of one person? No. Truth be told, I love using my Gold Class Shampoo. I still have #26, the burgunbdy bottle crap, and the original SMR. If it does the job for me, I am going to use it. Point blank. All I (and every other Autopian) look for is the best results.
 
ShineShop said:
Not true. Try wiping some non-chlorinated high grade solvent on a panel and see if it beads water after a day. It will. The residue from the solvent will still bead water.
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Isn't that just because the solvent will clean off the paint really well and perfectly clean, healthy paint will bead water all on its own? :confused: :nixweiss

geekysteve said:
The thing about that is the guy didn't give two hoots about #26. He was just on a Gold Class tyrade - why? Because that's where Meguiar's spends the majority of their marketing money.
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Heheheh, that does make perfect sense Steve! I bet they had been pulling their hair out because they have been pushing Gold Class stuff really hard. Then I bet they've got people telling them the Waxtest said it didn't last long! :D
 
geekysteve said:
The thing about that is the guy didn't give two hoots about #26. He was just on a Gold Class tyrade - why? Because that's where Meguiar's spends the majority of their marketing money.



I'm pretty much over it now, and have a good laugh about it when ever the subject comes up. :)
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It seems to be the attitude of most in the whole Meguiars "gang". I had the opportunity to meet Barry Meguiars and found him to be a pompous *******. Constantly shaking his wrist to show off his huge, gaudy Rolex. A true big shot complex indeed. I have to give him credit though, the man has the bucks to back up his BS.
 
4DSC said:
Isn't that just because the solvent will clean off the paint really well and perfectly clean, healthy paint will bead water all on its own? :confused: :nixweiss

Heheheh, that does make perfect sense Steve! I bet they had been pulling their hair out because they have been pushing Gold Class stuff really hard. Then I bet they've got people telling them the Waxtest said it didn't last long! :D
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No. The solvents function in the wax is usually to make the product more workable and any cleaning action is probably minimal if any at all.
 
ShineShop said:
No. The solvents function in the wax is usually to make the product more workable and any cleaning action is probably minimal if any at all.
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I wasn't talking about the solvents in the wax/product...
 
Healthy aka new clearcoat and paint will bead water. As the paint ages this charactistic diminishes. As abrasive products are used on surface, the finish is permeated and this quality diminishes even faster.



Solvents in waxes and polishes are primarily used as carriers to increase the workability of the product. Hi solvent systems like nu finish, these chemicals also contribute in surface cleaning. Ever use kerosene on your car? It does a real good job of removing tar!!
 
Scottwax said:
To be fair, Steve, you guys did blow the score big time on #26 by rating the durability as a C when it beaded the full 8 weeks when the other 3 that beaded all 8 weeks received B's for durability. You've never taken the time to correct the mistake. Don't get me wrong, I found tons more right about your testing than I found wrong (mostly just some score calculations), but to acknowledge the error and correct it was not fair to Meguiars (although your findings on Gold Class I completely agreed with).

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I don't understand this comment. OK, we've discussed the fact that some of the calculations weren't 100% correct. You say he's never taken the time to correct the math errors. What exactly would you like Steve and Guru Reports to do about it?



I don't think anyone here is trying to convince you to stop using Meguiar's. Some of us like it, some of us don't, and for some of us Meguiar's is the only quality product available. So what? Use whatever you like.



But continuing to rag on Steve and Guru Reports for a miscalculation is silly. I'm sure there will be a correction of some type in a future issue of Guru Reports. I don't think anyone should expect any more than that.
 
bretfraz said:
I don't understand this comment. OK, we've discussed the fact that some of the calculations weren't 100% correct. You say he's never taken the time to correct the math errors. What exactly would you like Steve and Guru Reports to do about it?



I don't think anyone here is trying to convince you to stop using Meguiar's. Some of us like it, some of us don't, and for some of us Meguiar's is the only quality product available. So what? Use whatever you like.



But continuing to rag on Steve and Guru Reports for a miscalculation is silly. I'm sure there will be a correction of some type in a future issue of Guru Reports. I don't think anyone should expect any more than that.
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Bret, I wasn't attacking Steve personally, merely pointing out a valid reason that Meguiars could hold against the Guru test, and judging from Steve's comments on what I said, that is the way he took it. Like Steve seemed to insinuate, he could understand complaints about the #26 score, but Meguiars had a problem with the Gold Class rating, which I believe Guru Reports was right on.



What do I think Guru Reports should do about it? How about a mention of the error and a recalculation posted on the website? Steve admits there were a few errors (understandable given the scope and magnitude of the testing and resultant data) that did affect the scores and standings. I commend him for being man enough to admit there were some miscalculations, I just wish there was a quick way to rectify the errors....and the only solution I can come up with is posting it on the website.



Why do you think I feel anyone is trying to make me not use Meguiars products? No one on this board has that kind of influence on me. I use what works best for my situation. If I was that easily influenced, I would be using Zainos!
 
Scottwax said:
How about a mention of the error and a recalculation posted on the website?
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In all honesty, our site isn't very well traveled - we get about 1% of our orders from the site. The rest of them come from the phone through ads that we place in Autoweek, Car&Driver and Road & Track.



And, before this thread gets out of hand (again, like most of the Guru ones seem to do):



1. This thread wasn't a thread trying to get everyone to stop using Meguiar's products, I was merely expressing my frustration with their Executive Level management team's public relation skills.



2. Keep using whatever you're happy with. While I talk big, I still use DACP, and I'll keep using it. In case people haven't noticed, I sometimes like to be a little sarcastic with my posts.



3. The bandwagon thing - if consumers don't let manufacturer's know that they're unhappy with their practices (ie: boycotting products, etc), then the mfg's won't ever improve or "recognize" the public's feelings. Saying something like "they won't notice if you stop using it" is like saying, "why vote? my vote doesn't even matter."



That's all - let's get back to some *real* autopia discussions! :)
 
Scottwax said:
Bret, I wasn't attacking Steve personally, merely pointing out a valid reason that Meguiars could hold against the Guru test, and judging from Steve's comments on what I said, that is the way he took it. Like Steve seemed to insinuate, he could understand complaints about the #26 score, but Meguiars had a problem with the Gold Class rating, which I believe Guru Reports was right on.



What do I think Guru Reports should do about it? How about a mention of the error and a recalculation posted on the website? Steve admits there were a few errors (understandable given the scope and magnitude of the testing and resultant data) that did affect the scores and standings. I commend him for being man enough to admit there were some miscalculations, I just wish there was a quick way to rectify the errors....and the only solution I can come up with is posting it on the website.



In publishing what some try to do is to place retraction and corrections close to, or even before, the page where the error was printed in the next issue. For example, if the NY Times printed an error on page 5, they strive to print a retraction/correction on or before page 5. Not every publication does this but the ones who are care about ethics and reader perception of those ethics try to do their best regarding mistakes.



I don't think too many Wax Test customers visit the website on a regular basis so my feeling is that posting corrections on the site is ineffective. The NY Times could do this, even hide corrections someplace on their site, but people bought a printed publication and corrections/retractions should also be printed. Just my opinion.







Why do you think I feel anyone is trying to make me not use Meguiars products? No one on this board has that kind of influence on me. I use what works best for my situation. If I was that easily influenced, I would be using Zainos!



Then why post the comment about not being sorry enough to stop using DACP or SWP? I don't understand the reason to even say this. I'm not the one who made the statement, I'm just questioning the reason behind it. You're right, no one on this baord is trying to influence you. That's because no one wants to. No one is suggesting you use products that DON'T work your situation. But you were the person who implied that suggestion or influence was taking place, otherwise why even mention it?



Don't be so defensive. There's no reason to pound your chest and prove to everyone how strong-minded you are. As I said, use whatever you like. Jeez...... :rolleyes:
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bretfraz said:
Then why post the comment about not being sorry enough to stop using DACP or SWP?
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I was making a joke, you know, a flip remark. Sarcasm, if you will. :rolleyes:



You are taking this far too seriously and personally. I understand you are Steve's friend. I like Steve too, I mean c'mon, he used 7 of my pictures on the back cover of the Wax Test magazine. Steve is a big boy and he has done a more than adequate job explaining his position. ;)
 
Sorry I cant see this going any better. If anyone cant see why this was locked feel free to PM me and ask, I just dont think that it is going in the right direction.





Down the road guys :)
 
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