I'm a beginner Detailing in the sun, can I use Menzerna

newbiebimmer said:
So is it a clear yes, it's ok to use Menzerna in the sun if I have to? :)



I'll look for a canopy at costco this weekend too though.
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Per Menzerna USA, the answer is that it's not a good idea.



I have a canopy from Costco. Hell, most everything I have came from Costco.:D
 
TH0001 said:
I'm not going to mention names (you wouldn't know him anyways) but I have been talking with a gentleman who is developing new polishes.



That said, it makes perfect sense. This is why the Menzerna bleeds out, and swirls/holograms have been reappearing on cars 2-3 months after they have been detailed.



That also makes sense why the Menzerna SRC polishes work well with a lot of heat, or why SIP works better if you work it in first before bringing the RPM up. Menzerna SRC's feature a ton of fillers, I (as well as very respected others) have seen this occur on more then several occasions.



I'm also curious as to where you information came from to rebute this? I have a couple people who have sworn up and down this is the case (apparently a lot of polishes use a parrfin wax so its not uncommon).
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Oh please. Who are you shilling for? Menzerna pg,ip,fpii,sip106,85rd do not contain fillers. I have done many many cars in heat and in cold. Heat adversely effects sip and 106. I have don 100% alcohol soaks and did not have any noticeable sign of fillers. This is also true with many of us professionals here on the forums. So who are you shilling for? Proper auto? Justin?















on to the subject, sip and 106 do not work well in the sun. They work, but Optimum works better in the sun.
 
No. All the Menzerna products that I've used have wiped squeaky clean. If there are paraffin "fillers" then I can't imagine a surface that would squeak.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Menzerna USA. Guess who I believe.
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I could be wrong, but didn't you also attack a Zaino guy because he said he believe's what Sal tells him?



Oh please. Who are you shilling for? Menzerna pg,ip,fpii,sip106,85rd do not contain fillers. I have done many many cars in heat and in cold. Heat adversely effects sip and 106. I have don 100% alcohol soaks and did not have any noticeable sign of fillers. This is also true with many of us professionals here on the forums. So who are you shilling for? Proper auto? Justin?
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Asking me who I am shilling for is pretty disrespectful. Even though I use Menzerna polishes, so I can I am shilling against myself? I can tell you the Zaino has bonding issues because of Menzerna. I have seen, as well as others on this forum (as well as the UK users who are switching away from Menzerna to the new 3M (perfect-it 3000 series) because of its mineral oil lubrication that wipes away perfectly clean).



Wiping with alcohol doesn't remove them completely, but if you wipe the area with body shop prep or prepsol, some swirls and scratches appear. If you deny this, then you have simply not done it, period. I will ask other forum members whom I have spoken with to weigh in on this.



If you believe a final polish can be spun at 2000 rpm, remove wool polishing holograms, with an orange pad on soft paint and finish perfectly, then I have a bridge to sell you in Jersey.



How does a product add "gloss" if it doesn't leave something behind on the surface to amplify that gloss. If the surface is polished and swirl free, it will reflect maximum light, obviously. So it doesn't matter the polish you use (if they are leaving nothing behind), as long as it finishes down swirl and marr free. However, 106ff or SIP, both add a gloss to the paint. Why is this?



Also, I have real word experience in polishing in direct sunlight in the Miami sun and found the Menzerna polishes to work better. But I guess since Menzerna USA says I am wrong, I am?



Menzerna is oil-silicone free, so what are they using for lubrication? Magic? Also, parrfin wax was issues with silicone bases. Intrestingly enough, Menzerna is very outspoken about the problems their polishes have when used over silicone based products.



I'm not saying that it features "fillers" like some other products, but it does leave something on some surfaces that fill in scratchs and holograms.



Menzerna is the best line I have used, period. But like everything, its not perfect, and the SRC polishes are finicky at best, and I believe that the wax lubricant used is a big part of it. The attacks where uncalled for, IMO.
 
SpoiledMan said:
No. All the Menzerna products that I've used have wiped squeaky clean. If there are paraffin "fillers" then I can't imagine a surface that would squeak.
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I have heard Zaino squeak, so obviously that means nothing.
 
MotorCity said:
I have NEVER seen this or heard any Menzerna users voice this...
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True, I did get carried away by saying a "Ton" of fillers, but every product does fill because of the lubrication properties of the polish. Some lubricants are harder to wipe away then others.



If you polish you car with Menzerna, then wipe away all the polish and pull you car in the sun, you will see the oils/waxes/whatever show up and need to be wiped of again. If you wipe it clean, they will appear again. The lubrication is very hard to completely remove completely, and I have seen (as others) holograms and light scratchs just "appear" several months after being detailed.



Obviously I'm not shilling (as the person who posted this should be warned/banned) since I use Menzerna and love Menzerna polishes.



This board is funny, because whenever somebody disagrees with other peoples opinions, they take it personally and attack. Give me a break, everybody has different experiences with different products, and I thought the point of a discussion forum was to discuss them and not attack other people.
 
I've never used Menzerna but have used 3m for polishing/ compounding for 15 years.



Can someone who's used both 3m (finesse etc.) and Menzerna tell me what they like better and why????



I think 3m is awesome stuff but i too have sometimes found light swirls and marring return weeks or months later that i thought were gone.
 
TH0001 said:
Obviously I'm not shilling (as the person who posted this should be warned/banned) since I use Menzerna and love Menzerna polishes.
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But it was fine for you to call me a shill?
 
I have some FP2 but find that it has a very narrow range. It is so mild as to have virtually no corrective ability. I usually reach for a stronger polish and then use an AIO in place of FP2. FP2 just seems to add an extra step.
 
TH0001, I'm curious about your statement that products with lubricating oils have some fillers in them. But then since Optimum Polish lubricates so well, does that mean that it fills more than it corrects? I wouldn't necessary think so...
 
wannafbody said:
I have some FP2 but find that it has a very narrow range. It is so mild as to have virtually no corrective ability. I usually reach for a stronger polish and then use an AIO in place of FP2. FP2 just seems to add an extra step.
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Ehh, it is a finishing polish.
 
TH0001 said:
I could be wrong, but didn't you also attack a Zaino guy because he said he believe's what Sal tells him?







Asking me who I am shilling for is pretty disrespectful. Even though I use Menzerna polishes, so I can I am shilling against myself? I can tell you the Zaino has bonding issues because of Menzerna. I have seen, as well as others on this forum (as well as the UK users who are switching away from Menzerna to the new 3M (perfect-it 3000 series) because of its mineral oil lubrication that wipes away perfectly clean).



Wiping with alcohol doesn't remove them completely, but if you wipe the area with body shop prep or prepsol, some swirls and scratches appear. If you deny this, then you have simply not done it, period. I will ask other forum members whom I have spoken with to weigh in on this.



If you believe a final polish can be spun at 2000 rpm, remove wool polishing holograms, with an orange pad on soft paint and finish perfectly, then I have a bridge to sell you in Jersey.



How does a product add "gloss" if it doesn't leave something behind on the surface to amplify that gloss. If the surface is polished and swirl free, it will reflect maximum light, obviously. So it doesn't matter the polish you use (if they are leaving nothing behind), as long as it finishes down swirl and marr free. However, 106ff or SIP, both add a gloss to the paint. Why is this?



Also, I have real word experience in polishing in direct sunlight in the Miami sun and found the Menzerna polishes to work better. But I guess since Menzerna USA says I am wrong, I am?



Menzerna is oil-silicone free, so what are they using for lubrication? Magic? Also, parrfin wax was issues with silicone bases. Intrestingly enough, Menzerna is very outspoken about the problems their polishes have when used over silicone based products.



I'm not saying that it features "fillers" like some other products, but it does leave something on some surfaces that fill in scratchs and holograms.



Menzerna is the best line I have used, period. But like everything, its not perfect, and the SRC polishes are finicky at best, and I believe that the wax lubricant used is a big part of it. The attacks where uncalled for, IMO.
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I have used ppg tar and wax remover to remove sip and 106 before. Both after use in shade on a 95 degree day. There was no evidence of fillers. There was evidence that sip and 106 did not break down well. This cause marring as i wiped off the panel. I will bet dollars to donuts the re-occurrence of marring is simply due to poor wash habits or dry wiping. I know of customers of a competitor that spend literally 800-1500 per detail that will dry wipe a car at a concurs. Then ask why there are swirls and what fillers were used.



As for menz having any kind of effect for filling i simply have not seen it. As for zaino not bonding well. again, outside of my pervue as i simply don't have a need for zaino. It is not unreasonable to think that menz made their products to bond with menz sealant product, not zaino. The issue is not menz but zaino, as they are primarily a sealant company. They should make their product well enough that it will adhere to any well prepped paint.



Now down to asking if you are shilling.



You made vague references to a new product that x person was formulating. Saying
I'm not going to mention names (you wouldn't know him anyways) but I have been talking with a gentleman who is developing new polishes.
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Now preface that with people who have been caught shilling. Why not just come out and say it. One possible reason is the person is known to the members and staff here. That was my point.





You can be as mad as you want, I simply asked. If the answer is damning that is on you not me.
 
mikebai1990 said:
TH0001, I'm curious about your statement that products with lubricating oils have some fillers in them. But then since Optimum Polish lubricates so well, does that mean that it fills more than it corrects? I wouldn't necessary think so...
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I think it's an issue that lubricating oils migrate into deeper defects, etching and scratches-even if they weren't designed as fillers. A towel simply wipes over those defects and may not pull the oils out. Using a ISO wipedown will help break them loose. BTW, I've never read of any issue of Z5pro/ Z2pro bonding to bare paint.
 
toml said:
I was thinking of going the canopy route (as I have to do all my polishing outside), but someone posted that the smaller canopies are useless unless the sun is directly overhead. There just isn't enough shade generated by the canopy size to cover the majority of sun angles. That makes sense.



If you do get a canopy, you may need to go more than 10 x 10. And make sure that the legs can be held down on the ground. :)
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Check this one out. I don't have a canopy but thinking of getting this one. I need to do more research but this kinda looks good because there are removable walls. Smaller footprint but you can customize walls to block sun from the sides.



Does anyone know about these?
 
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