If you had only one sealant to buy, which one and why.....
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Accumulator
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willtothewong said:
I like the Klasse twins too, at least on certain paints/vehicles (for some reason I can't stand them on Audi silver even though I *like* it on some other silvers :nixweiss ).
One of the things I simply *LOVE* about KSG is the way it layers. After about six coats there's a clearly discernable build-film on top of the paint; it feels like the vehicle is coated with plastic. And KSG is the *only* LSP I've ever used where I've experienced (extremely light) marring that didn't penetrate into the actual clearcoat.
Utterly unforgiving of imperfect prep though, so possibly not a good choice for people how have to polish every few months.
VroomVroom said:
I really like UPP on the (silver) S8, but it looses slickness pretty fast (OK, refreshing with UGE or the spray UPP are quick and easy) and it seems unusually vulnerable to bug-etching :think: We take in on trips in the summer, and by the end of a long weekend the bugs have often etched into the clear badly enough to require significant polishing.
Sure does look nice though, and the slickness is incredible while it lasts.
VroomVroom
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Accumulator said:
Awesome feedback. Probably a dumb question, but have you layered UPP? I ask because I've discovered the same thing (even more so with FMJ) - and particularly so on ze Germans. But two coats seems to offer slickness, protection, durability and that sheen...if I'm reading correctly...that you describe from KSG.
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VroomVroom said:
No, not a dumb question, seems like a lot of people only use one or two applications of LSP (not me though).
Yeah, I layer the UPP,usually three or four layers before the S8 goes into regular use in the spring (topped with either the spray or UGE as a finishing touch) and usually two (24 hours apart) at every refreshing.
I'm sure that most of the UPP is still there when I reapply as I reapply within one wash of any decrease in slickness (I use the spray for that one-wash interval if there's no time for a full application). Come to think about it, there must be a *LOT* of UPP on that paint :think:
I just don't get the same discernable build-film that I get with 4-6 layers of KSG though. Even with all the applications, the slickness drops off about as quickly as with only two (never tried only one). That's one reason why I don't really equate decrease in slickness with lack of durability where UPP is concerned.
And no matter *how* much I put on there, it still seems vulnerable to high-speed-impacted bugs :nixweiss
Oh, and regarding KSG, I've never had great results from fewer than four layers, and IME six is a lot better. If I can't layer KSG, I'd rather just use Collinite 476S wax.
David Fermani
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JuneBug said:
It's my favorite and works great on every color I've used it on so far. I've concluded that I'd never want a sealant that lasts too long anyways. 3-4 months is plenty for me because I end up polishing at that time frame & I'd hate for a product to interfere with my buffing surface.
Accumulator
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David Fermani said:
Yeah, heavily layered sealants *can* interfere with polishing, it's not just as simple as "polishing through the LSP"; you gotta compromise the stuff with a solvent/etc. first in some cases.
I *do* like long-lived LSPs, but keep in mind my awfully extreme wash regimen; if I have to polish once a year I'm sorely disappointed
[Accumulator dislocates shoulder patting self on back 
]Oh, I keep thinking about a comment you made regarding my wash technique working for you...gotta send you a PM so as not to thread-jack.
blk45
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SuperBee364
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Accumulator said:Yeah, heavily layered sealants *can* interfere with polishing, it's not just as simple as "polishing through the LSP"; you gotta compromise the stuff with a solvent/etc. first in some cases.
I *do* like long-lived LSPs, but keep in mind my awfully extreme wash regimen; if I have to polish once a year I'm sorely disappointed
Oh, I keep thinking about a comment you made regarding my wash technique working for you...gotta send you a PM so as not to thread-jack.
Boy.... Ain't *that* the truth. Menz's ceramiclear rated polishes (*all* of em) really, REALLY hate LSP's. Any remaining LSP will cause SIP, 106FF, or even 85RD to hop, skip, spit, and flash like crazy. As Rydawg pointed out a long time ago, the primary cure for a Menz polish acting up is to remove *all* traces of LSP.
My wax of choice causes most all polishes (not just Menz's ceramiclears) to act up like crazy.
Scottwax said:
That was the problem I was having when I first started using UPGP. It was streaking a lot more than Opti-Seal, and I was afraid to use on customers cars merely because I didn't want there to be streaks. I also didn't have the time to sit and wait one hour before wiping it down. I then set out and did some research. David B says that there is no problem with wiping down the paint before the one hour, but the whole point is that it is supposed to be WOWA sealant and he wanted people to know that if you wait one hour, all streaking will go away. I then experimented using different applicators as well to try to reduce the streaking. After trying 3 or 4 different applicators, I am now back to the large brick applicator and have learned to lay the UPGP down very thinly. (This is the key to UPGP) I usually wait about 15 minutes after application and then wipe the surface down with a quick detailer. The only thing that you will have to wait on with UPGP is the layering. I usually wait *at least* 15 hours. UPGP has a learning curve to it, but with a little practice you will be laying it down on black streak free.
EDIT: Here is the quote I was referring to from David B.
DavidB said: