If Jesus was a compound... Garry Dean - Tampa, FL - Premium Custom Detailing

Garry Dean

Garry Dean

Garry Dean Quality!
His name would be M101.



My good friend Charlie Hahn was so gracious to send me a bit of his private stash of Meguiars M101 Foam-Cut Compound. This product was developed in Europe for their paint types and buffing styles. It is NOT available here in the US...



As soon as I put the pad to the paint I could tell I was working with a monster.



This compound not only cuts faster and deeper than M105, but dusts less and finishes better. Believe it or not!



I put together a Meguiars Compound Shootout on the Corvette I just finished (video soon to come) in this video that shows a direct comparison between Meguiars D300, M105v1, M105 current version, and the best thing since sliced bread... M101 aka Pimp Juice.



I am SOOOOOOO spoiled now. I know that there is a better compound out there and I cant buy it on a regular basis... Its just not fair!



Meguiars, if you're listening, please consider bringing this to market here in the US!



Meguiars Compound Showdown D300 M105v1 M105 current version M101 aka Pimp Juice Garry Dean Tampa, FL Premium Custom Detailing - YouTube



Thanks for watching!
 
Scooby24 said:
It looks like 101 hazed a lot more than the current M105.
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Not at all. If you watched the video I put a caption in that said I forgot to get a shot of the M101 after a mist of distilled water and a quick wipe. It actually finished much better than M105v2.
 
Garry Dean said:
Not at all. If you watched the video I put a caption in that said I forgot to get a shot of the M101 after a mist of distilled water and a quick wipe. It actually finished much better than M105v2.
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Ah, I must have closed out too soon. I wonder why it's not marketed to the US?
 
OK, we'll try to distill down the discussions that have taken place on other forums after some folks managed to obtain this European only formula here in the USA.



[This is the first product that Meguiar's actually developed outside the US. It was still created by our chemists here in Irvine, CA, but we actually shipped our lead man for the project to Europe, along with a mini lab set up, so that he could quickly respond to testing and inputs and tweak the formula as needed. Pretty cool stuff, actually.



What is M101 designed for? Rotary buffing with a dedicated foam pad on European aftermarket (ie, body shop) paint.



Why "European" aftermarket paint? Because, unlike factory paint which is the same whether the car is sold in Europe, North America or Asia, aftermarket paints vary in different parts of the world. It's a high solids versus low solids situation with these different paints, and that can require different compound formulations to achieve maximum results. Oh, and for the record, factory paint is vastly different from a chemistry standpoint than the paint used in a body shop. If a body shop, whether in Europe or North America, were to shoot factory paint it would virtually never cure due to a body shops inability to bake it at sufficient heat and for sufficient time. It's just not economically feasible for a body shop to have that sort of equipment.



Why "dedicated foam pad"? While use of a wool pad is commonplace here in the US for sanding mark and swirl removal, in European body shops they almost never use wool. And rarely do they compound the entire vehicle - it's mostly spot repair following a repaint, and it's almost always with a foam pad. They also tend to run the rotary at fairly low rpm. So we've developed a dedicated foam pad to use with this compound, taking into account the cultural toward low speed rotary and anti wool bias.



Why did we send a chemist and mini lab to Europe? Lead time, really. Imagine if we sent product over there, had it tested, then had to tweak and send a new batch across the pond, repeat, repeat, repeat? It would have taken months. And we couldn't do the testing here because the aftermarket paint used in Europe is very different from that used here, due to environmental regulations.



So basically what we have here is a product developed for a very specific type of paint system and a pretty specific work flow. That a handful of guys have imported this back to the US (it is made domestically, just like all the rest of our products) and are finding success with it using either wool or microfiber pads is interesting, to say the least. At the moment we have no solid plans to introduce this product to the US market.] Michael Stoops, Meguiar's Inc.



€ 50 – 63 USD Per Litre
 
TOGWT said:
OK, we'll try to distill down the discussions that have taken place on other forums after some folks managed to obtain this European only formula here in the USA.



[This is the first product that Meguiar's actually developed outside the US. It was still created by our chemists here in Irvine, CA, but we actually shipped our lead man for the project to Europe, along with a mini lab set up, so that he could quickly respond to testing and inputs and tweak the formula as needed. Pretty cool stuff, actually.



What is M101 designed for? Rotary buffing with a dedicated foam pad on European aftermarket (ie, body shop) paint.



Why "European" aftermarket paint? Because, unlike factory paint which is the same whether the car is sold in Europe, North America or Asia, aftermarket paints vary in different parts of the world. It's a high solids versus low solids situation with these different paints, and that can require different compound formulations to achieve maximum results. Oh, and for the record, factory paint is vastly different from a chemistry standpoint than the paint used in a body shop. If a body shop, whether in Europe or North America, were to shoot factory paint it would virtually never cure due to a body shops inability to bake it at sufficient heat and for sufficient time. It's just not economically feasible for a body shop to have that sort of equipment.



Why "dedicated foam pad"? While use of a wool pad is commonplace here in the US for sanding mark and swirl removal, in European body shops they almost never use wool. And rarely do they compound the entire vehicle - it's mostly spot repair following a repaint, and it's almost always with a foam pad. They also tend to run the rotary at fairly low rpm. So we've developed a dedicated foam pad to use with this compound, taking into account the cultural toward low speed rotary and anti wool bias.



Why did we send a chemist and mini lab to Europe? Lead time, really. Imagine if we sent product over there, had it tested, then had to tweak and send a new batch across the pond, repeat, repeat, repeat? It would have taken months. And we couldn't do the testing here because the aftermarket paint used in Europe is very different from that used here, due to environmental regulations.



So basically what we have here is a product developed for a very specific type of paint system and a pretty specific work flow. That a handful of guys have imported this back to the US (it is made domestically, just like all the rest of our products) and are finding success with it using either wool or microfiber pads is interesting, to say the least. At the moment we have no solid plans to introduce this product to the US market.] Michael Stoops, Meguiar's Inc.
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Thanks for posting this. I was going to but you beat me to it.



Barry Theal said:
Garry,



Great video bud! :rockon:



Barry
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Thanks, Barry.
 
Garry Dean said:
Did you read my post?
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I did, but don't understand how their paint types would make a difference, since we have european manufacturered cars here as well...and buffing styles I don't know how that is different for them.



Sorry, I'll quit asking questions. Sheesh.
 
Scooby24 said:
I did, but don't understand how their paint types would make a difference, since we have european manufacturered cars here as well...and buffing styles I don't know how that is different for them.



Sorry, I'll quit asking questions. Sheesh.
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I didnt mean to sound rude. I just thought I had answered the questions you were asking already. If you just read what TOGWT posted you will thoroughly understand the situation with M101.
 
If this compound continues to show it is a "grail product" on any type of paint, I don't think there's any corner in the world that an Autopian wouldn't go through the lengths to order from to be able to get it. It's the first hyped ( apparently rightfully so) product of the New Year already.
 
Bill D said:
If this compound continues to show it is a "grail product" on any type of paint, I don't think there's any corner in the world that an Autopian wouldn't go through the lengths to order from to be able to get it. It's the first hyped ( apparently rightfully so) product of the New Year already.
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That's an accurate assessment, Bill; it took me quite a while before I found a supplier, and then right before I was preparing to buy, I was lucky enough to have Chris Dasher offer to sell me some of what he had obtained.



If Meguiar's is listening, I hope they bring it to market domestically!
 
This product must create a bit of a problem for Meguiars. If it has a better cut and finish this makes their flagship compound redundant. Could 105 be better on softer paints?



Edit. Forgot to add, I really liked the video, very informative.
 
Great video, Garry!





pixelmonkey said:
how would you say it stacks up to uno?
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Uno cut fairly well, but it was no match for M101. Sure, the work time of UNO is seemingly infinite, but it might take a while to remove the defects that M101 was able to remove.



Bill D said:
If this compound continues to show it is a "grail product" on any type of paint, I don't think there's any corner in the world that an Autopian wouldn't go through the lengths to order from to be able to get it. It's the first hyped ( apparently rightfully so) product of the New Year already.
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Let's ask Barry where he's been looking to find M101... Netherlands?



As far as hype goes, I think it's well deserved. M101 is like a matured version of M105. It's not a total breeze to use, like D300, but it is much easier to work with than M105.



Garry mentioned this, but I really agree. It is a privilege to work with M101, but it is a bit depressing to talk about a product that not everyone can obtain. Heck, I had to jump through hoops and wait weeks to get my three gallons! Now that I'm down to one gallon, I wish that I'd kept a bit more...
 
Hi everyone. First of all, Garry, thanks for the great video. That's really impressive. Pimp Juice is really living up to its name.



So... my question for everyone that has used M101 is how it compares to D300? Obviously, it was a product to replace M105, but in comparison to things like ease of use and dusting, how does it compare? Does it stain trim pieces like M105, or is it just as friendly as D300. On my personal car, I exclusively use D300. I like it because it is easy to use, wipes off easily, doesn't really dust, and doesn't really require me to to tape trim.
 
darkonion said:
Hi everyone. First of all, Garry, thanks for the great video. That's really impressive. Pimp Juice is really living up to its name.



So... my question for everyone that has used M101 is how it compares to D300? Obviously, it was a product to replace M105, but in comparison to things like ease of use and dusting, how does it compare? Does it stain trim pieces like M105, or is it just as friendly as D300. On my personal car, I exclusively use D300. I like it because it is easy to use, wipes off easily, doesn't really dust, and doesn't really require me to to tape trim.
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M101 is far more like M105 than like M101. It is a very aggressive cutting compound that works very fast and finishes nicely. D300 is more of an amateur low end version baby compound compared to M101.



Full throttle, balls to the walls = M101. Get the job done safer, but still really good = D300.



Dont get me wrong, D300 is awesome stuff, but not even close to M101.
 
darkonion said:
Hi everyone. First of all, Garry, thanks for the great video. That's really impressive. Pimp Juice is really living up to its name.



So... my question for everyone that has used M101 is how it compares to D300? Obviously, it was a product to replace M105, but in comparison to things like ease of use and dusting, how does it compare? Does it stain trim pieces like M105, or is it just as friendly as D300. On my personal car, I exclusively use D300. I like it because it is easy to use, wipes off easily, doesn't really dust, and doesn't really require me to to tape trim.
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My thought would be that this is not a product for the casual user, nor would it be a good choice for regular use on a personal vehicle (just as with M105, if you're having to resort to an aggressive solution like that on a regular basis, you need to re-evaluate your maintenance techniques and figure out how to not put defects into the paint in the first place).



This is really a compound best suited to major paint correction work, which is not something that can be done more than a handful of times before the paint becomes too thin. Remember that this stuff is removing a lot of paint in very short order. Without a solid working knowledge of technique you can get yourself into trouble really quickly.
 
Great video Gary, would love to get my hands on that stuff!



Just remembered, I need some control clips from you :-)



-Kody-
 
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