I'd like to hear Kevin Browns instruction and thoughts about HD UNO and cutting paint

tuscarora dave

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I hope Kevin sees this thread. I have been hugely inspired by the writings, instructions and advice of Kevin Brown. I'm no noob to paint correction but am perplexed at the thought of doing anything more than finish polishing with HD UNO. I have tried on several occasions to cut paint with HD UNO using the suggested less is more school of thought behind everyone's claims. I understand Kevin Browns writing so maybe he can shed a little light on this HD UNO dilemma. I'd like to learn it and now especially since I have a 3D distributor stopping at my shop I'd like to buy it moving forward but it's been an absolute waste of my time so far. I'll stop there so I don't get myself in too much trouble over here since I'm relatively new to this site. Kevin, if you read this and you are able to...Please tell us of your experience using HD UNO.
 
tuscarora dave said:
I hope Kevin sees this thread. I have been hugely inspired by the writings, instructions and advice of Kevin Brown. I'm no noob to paint correction but am perplexed at the thought of doing anything more than finish polishing with HD UNO. I have tried on several occasions to cut paint with HD UNO using the suggested less is more school of thought behind everyone's claims. I understand Kevin Browns writing so maybe he can shed a little light on this HD UNO dilemma. I'd like to learn it and now especially since I have a 3D distributor stopping at my shop I'd like to buy it moving forward but it's been an absolute waste of my time so far. I'll stop there so I don't get myself in too much trouble over here since I'm relatively new to this site. Kevin, if you read this and you are able to...Please tell us of your experience using HD UNO.



I've got a brand new bottle sitting in my storage, err... my West Coast Buff Daddy Warehouse Facility.



I'll run the stuff today or tomorrow and let you know what I find.



Foam pads? Microfiber? Wool?



Edit: THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS !!! :dance
 
Hey man, you've talked to me and inspired me through some tough times and your writings have helped me to cut my paint correction times in half. You my friend have earned the kind words for sure.



I'm leaning toward microfiber. I just got a dozen more 5" cutting discs. If I'm going to learn a new to me product I might as well do it with the new machine that the manufacturer has just introduced to the industry.



Thanks Kevin, I eagerly await your findings.
 
tuscarora dave said:
Hey man, you've talked to me and inspired me through some tough times and your writings have helped me to cut my paint correction times in half. You my friend have earned the kind words for sure.



I'm leaning toward microfiber. I just got a dozen more 5" cutting discs. If I'm going to learn a new to me product I might as well do it with the new machine that the manufacturer has just introduced to the industry.



Thanks Kevin, I eagerly await your findings.

Dave, FYI, the UNO you're referring to is different than the new UNO Advanced Cut.
 
Yeah, the distributor just decanted a few ounces into a yorker bottle and left it with me to try out. I tried it with a rotary and foam light cutting pad using just a few pea sized drops like everyone says to do and it just wasn't working for me. I'm going to shift my efforts to the DA polisher with this stuff for a while.
 
tuscarora dave said:
Yeah, the distributor just decanted a few ounces into a yorker bottle and left it with me to try out. I tried it with a rotary and foam light cutting pad using just a few pea sized drops like everyone says to do and it just wasn't working for me. I'm going to shift my efforts to the DA polisher with this stuff for a while.

The reviews have been mixed with UNO AC. I like M101/M105/D300 better.
 
So there's a new Uno? Man, I can't keep up with this stuff...I thought the old(?) version cut fine with a MF cutting disk, not M105 but still OK.
 
Ben@Autopia said:
There is no new version. The last change was last year.



Ah, OK...but I wonder where my bottle falls :confused:



I got mine from..oh sheesh, when was it?!?...late last year (the "first to attain 30K posts" contest), so I'm guessing it's the current version.
 
Im sure we all respect and admire Kevin, I certainly do. certainly looks at paint repair different than most



So what rotary did you have when you tried the HD Uno, what size plate, how thick and still was it, did it have alot of cush or was it flat. Was the pad the exact same size as the plate????



lots of factors determine cut and finish. combo of all these factors determine the results. get any wrong and results won't be to your liking.

Pad priming on rotary but especially with a DA is very important



I'm not a 3D product user and never will be but like all polishes Im sure it will correct, polish , jewel and finish but how well it does those tasks compared to other single polish systems and polishes/compounds. I dont know
 
Okay, Dave... I ran the HD Uno Advanced Cut through its paces. Last time I tried HD Uno, I was comparing version 2.0 to 3.0. This time, the bottle came from Ben at 3D, so I know it's the latest stuff.



To start with, I sanded one of my test panels. Test panels offer very good test-control, as the panels are flat and were sprayed at the same time (so there's no variance to have to account for).



To compare HD Uno Advanced Cut's abilities, I used Meguiar's M105 Ultra-Cut Compound on the other side of the panel.



Sanding was accomplished using Meguiar's Professional Unigrit 6" Sanding Discs (1500 and 3000 grades). I used my Mirka CEROS for sanding duties, which is a wonderful machine. Lightweight, and MAN does it rotate the plate..!



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I also used the CEROS for polishing using a Meguiar's DMC6 6" DA Microfiber Disc, but then switched to a Meguiar's G110v2 outfitted with a Meguiar's DMC5 5" DA Microfiber Disc mounted to an Xact-Fit plate.



Just for kicks (and to see how well the CEROS handled polishing duties), I mounted an Xact-Fit plate to the CEROS. I used the DA Microfiber Discs, as well as a 5-1/2" diameter, 1/2" tall Lake Country black foam pad (I actually used a different plate than the one shown below, but it was cut to the same diameter):



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I really like the fit & polishing ability of this machine & pad combo.



Bottom line on the HD Uno Advanced Cut:



In my opinion, it is a very nice product. It has good cutting capability, and finishes down rather nicely.

Price makes it a deal, and as claimed, it does not dust, and it can be used for a long time.



That being said... it does not cut or finish as well as Meguiar's M105. I tried the HD Uno in several ways; non-primed, only a few drops, then primed, then primed & minimized (I first prime, then immediately remove excess product by running the disc against a microfiber towel for 15-20 seconds), and then a few drops, etc. I tried various speeds, with and without an Xact-Fit plate (Xact-Fit for the WIN by a LARGE margin). I applied HD Uno via CEROS and G100 and G10v2 (an old, gutsy prototype model). I used microfiber discs, and the black foam pad.



To be frank and without exaggeration... M105 cut 3 to 4 times quicker than HD Uno.

It also surpassed HD Uno in terms of finishing.

In terms of leveling ability... it did not have the leveling capability of M105.



Now, I know that I don't have a lot of experience using HD Uno, whereas guys like Thomas Dekany and Barry Theal have tons more experience. But, I hope you'll believe that I used HD Uno without bias, and used it as if it was the only product I was going to be able to use from now on (it's how I use any product when I'm running it through its paces).



It is a nice product and seems to be pretty capable, but its got a way to go to match M105.



I really hope that Tunch doesn't erase my number from his contact info after reading this... I'm not bashing HD Uno in any way. I believe it needs a bit more work before it equals what I consider to be one of the benchmarks of compounds, M105.



Before anyone chimes in saying, "Hey, M105 is a compound, whereas HD Uno is a one-step do-all product.", realize that I used M105 to cut and finish, with microfiber and foam pads. In other words... if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's likely a duck!



If neither buffing liquid had a label, and I used them without user instructions... I would figure that both could be used for cutting and finishing. Considering that HD Uno is in its 4th or 5th update, I doubt Tunch is done tweaking the formula just yet.
 
Thanks for the detailed reply Kevin. I appreciate that you spent all of that time testing out a polish with different pads and machines just to answer the OP's question.
 
Leadfootluke said:
Thanks for the detailed reply Kevin. I appreciate that you spent all of that time testing out a polish with different pads and machines just to answer the OP's question.



Thank you very much... it was fun all the same.
 
Kevin Brown said:
To be frank and without exaggeration... M105 cut 3 to 4 times quicker than HD Uno.



Great review Kevin, just curious how you arrived at the number, just an observation or did you measure with something? I've had on my todo list forever to do a test of 105 vs UNO with a fixed weight on the DA and get some before and after paint measurements, just curious if you had beat me to the punch.
 
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