I really love/hate ONR...

SuperBee364

SuperBee364

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Yup, another ONR thread. Just what we need... sorry. :(



A few weeks ago, I posted that I had some problems with ONR marring. I've been hesitant to really talk too much about it for a couple reasons. So many people love ONR, I hate to post anything negative about it for fear of flame wars, and also because so many people use it successfully it makes me feel stupid for having problems with it. But the truth is, it's been more of a problem than I've let on. It's really been marring the crap out of both of my vehicles. Well, that's kinda subjective, really... very light swirls is "marring the crap out of it" to me. To others, they'd probably never notice it.



Anyway, I've tried using ONR in every way I could think of. I still would get some marring. So this spring, I've done it a bit different.



I've been on a quest for the perfect touchless wash. But no matter how good my touchless process is, I would still end up mixing up a batch of ONR for the black decals on my car, the wheels, door jambs, and interior. ONR is a fantastic interior cleaner.



So now what I've been doing is a complete touchless wash, finished with a spot free rinse from my DI cartridges, then drying with a leaf blower. Then I put two gallons of DI (or distilled) water in a bucket, mix up a batch of ONR, then wash the entire car again with ONR, then do the decals, interior, jambs, wheels.



Since the car is really close to dirt free before the ONR touches it, the ONR has been (so far at least) capable of cleaning up what's left from the touchless with *zero* marring. I still feel like an idiot for not being able to use ONR the way it's supposed to be used without marring, but at least this process works and is completely mar free.



Using DI'd or distilled water makes ONR finish off sooo well. The shine it leaves makes a follow up QD unnecessary.



I'm on my last gallon of ONR. It's from a batch that's old enough to not have any fragrance in it. I've finally gotten to the point where I like the scent of it. I hear that ONR now has a fragrance added to it. What does the new ONR smell like, anyway?
 
SuperBee364 said:
What does the new ONR smell like, anyway?
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I think the newer version smells terrible. Especially at full strength as it is quite strong. Subjective, yes but thats the way I see/smell it. I guess I'd describe it as a floral scent. I definitely preferred the original.
 
I've tried every wash media I can get my hands on, Daniel. You name it, I've tried it.. except a sea sponge. I was also pre-spraying each panel with QD strength ONR out of a garden sprayer. I guess there's just something in the dirt here that is extremely abrasive.
 
Floral scent.. great... just what you want the interior of a muscle car to smell like. A pretty bouqet of flowers. Fabulous.
 
SuperBee364 said:
I've tried every wash media I can get my hands on, Daniel. You name it, I've tried it.. except a sea sponge. I was also pre-spraying each panel with QD strength ONR out of a garden sprayer. I guess there's just something in the dirt here that is extremely abrasive.
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I have found that a sheepskin mit works very well.



Could it be you are using ONR that is too old?
 
baseballlover1 said:
I have found that a sheepskin mit works very well.



Could it be you are using ONR that is too old?
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Hey, now that is a thought... I started using it last summer sometime... I bought three gallons all at once. Never saw any marring from it until about January or so.



That might be it! Guess I better order a new gallon to be sure.
 
Just ONR'd the MINI today with as expected great results. Method was ONR (QD) strength prior to actual wiping. I use soft warm water from kitchen sink for ONR wash and rinse bucket also. I use the target MF covered sponge/chenille and works fine for me.

SuperBee, maybe your standards in locating micromarring/swirls are TOO good!
 
crap I just onr-ed the poop out of my 08 gti today before my buddies bday party. My car had two weeks of grime on it from being parked outside. My car is so waterspotted right now it still looks/feels dirty.



Sigh.



I used a detailers choice sponge like scottwax mentions in his onr thread.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Hey, now that is a thought... I started using it last summer sometime... I bought three gallons all at once. Never saw any marring from it until about January or so.



That might be it! Guess I better order a new gallon to be sure.
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Man im good :chuckle: haha. Now i feel smart :)... thats a first haha.



I hope i helped!



,Daniel
 
SuperBee364 said:
............So now what I've been doing is a complete touchless wash, finished with a spot free rinse from my DI cartridges, then drying with a leaf blower. Then I put two gallons of DI (or distilled) water in a bucket, mix up a batch of ONR, then wash the entire car again with ONR, then do the decals, interior, jambs, wheels.............
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OK Supe, if you've already washed the car and rinsed it with your DI water, why do you dry it with a leaf blower before doing the ONR wash?



If your ONR is from last summer I don't think it would be bad...... I'm using some that's at least 6 months older than that.



When I use ONR I use a Florida wool sea sponge. Some people love 'em and some hate 'em, but once they are rinsed out properly they are very soft and clean up afterwards better than anything else I've used.
 
Eliot Ness said:
OK Supe, if you've already washed the car and rinsed it with your DI water, why do you dry it with a leaf blower before doing the ONR wash?



If your ONR is from last summer I don't think it would be bad...... I'm using some that's at least 6 months older than that.



When I use ONR I use a Florida wool sea sponge. Some people love 'em and some hate 'em, but once they are rinsed out properly they are very soft and clean up afterwards better than anything else I've used.
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So that nothing is diluting the ONR. After drying it with the leaf blower, I apply QD strength ONR out of my garden sprayer to each panel before using a Eurow MF soaked in ONR.
 
Mindflux said:
crap I just onr-ed the poop out of my 08 gti today before my buddies bday party. My car had two weeks of grime on it from being parked outside. My car is so waterspotted right now it still looks/feels dirty.



Sigh.



I used a detailers choice sponge like scottwax mentions in his onr thread.
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Other than the spots, how'd it turn out? Any marring?
 
Saleenman607 said:
Just ONR'd the MINI today with as expected great results. Method was ONR (QD) strength prior to actual wiping. I use soft warm water from kitchen sink for ONR wash and rinse bucket also. I use the target MF covered sponge/chenille and works fine for me.

SuperBee, maybe your standards in locating micromarring/swirls are TOO good!
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Thanks! I do get the odd look from the neighbors when I'm outside looking at my car from all angles at about three inches from the paint...I wonder why they always go back inside??
 
SuperBee364 said:
Other than the spots, how'd it turn out? Any marring?
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The car is white so its hard a to tell without really scrutinizing. I didnt have the time to go over it with a fine toothed comb. Being that it is my first time with onr I wouldn't doubt there is some marring.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Floral scent.. great... just what you want the interior of a muscle car to smell like. A pretty bouqet of flowers. Fabulous.
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It doesn't hang around. More of a citrus/pine sent to me.



I believe the formula was slightly modified as well. I was sent a few samples around the time the scent and color change was done and was told there were more polymers in the test versions. What exactly might have been changed, I don't know but the scented version seems to be more lubricious than the original version.
 
That's really good to know, thanks Scott! The version I have doesn't feel *at all* slippery. It's not just an age thing, it never did feel slippery even when it was new.
 
I like the scent of ONR, but I don't seem to feel the lubricating properties that is described when I use it. And the polymers in it must stick to my wash media because they feel grabby after using ONR instead of gliding across the paint. Experienced this with a grout sponge and a sheep skin wash mitt. Never happened with QEW. Am I suppose to put quick detailer into the mix like QEW?
 
Pre-rinse with pressure washer. I try to keep the pressure down because blasting the dirt across your paint is never good. But this tends to get most of the dirt off of the paint.



Mix batch up of the ONR with recomended strength on the dilution.



Use my best sheepskin mit that has been granted this job as it's only job.



Try to use as much product/water that the mit will hold. I just don't think this is the time to conserve. The more the better when actually touching the paint. Also, it is amazing how far two gallons will go.



Then the hard paint. Drying the car. Honestly, this is where I have the hardest time trying not to mare the paint. I have tried just about every drying towel out there and have found under the right circumstance even the highest priced MF's can create marring on soft paint. With ONR, I try to blow the car off as well as I can. Then I break out the waffle weave MF followed by a super soft MF to clean up any water streaks.



Finally I stand back and admire the freshly washed vehicle. Folllowed by my traditional comment spoken outloud to no one other than the detail gods, "I just love this stuff!!""



Honestly, I can't say enough about ONR. Taking care of one car collection entails many, many washings. Once the car pulls up the driveway, I try to give it a nice fresh manicure. To be able to fill up just two buckets and grab a couple of towels and be ready to go is nothing short of awesome. If a car has only been on a short drive I don't even have to grab the PW.



Bee, the only thing I can think of to help you is to maybe recomend buying the new version (which I think is quite pleasant and always makes the water look like pool water). Also you might try really splashing an excessive amount on the car when you are actually wiping it clean.



I am sure you know how to dry a car properly so I am not going to insult you with the suggestions on how to.
 
I dont mind the scent of ONR at all.



I certainly get some marring over the course of time, but not enough where I would stop using it. I sorta expect it. ONR is a double edged sword.



What would happen in this situation if you replaced ONR with CG ONE, or PB waterless wash? It would be interesting to note.
 
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