I really love/hate ONR...
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accordmaniac
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fergnation said:
Isn't the whole point with ONR though is that you don't have access to a lot of water? If I had a pressure washer I would just use regular car wash.
Also, how do you get a mitt/sponge/cloth to release the dirt. It just seems to stick to the wash media when I use ONR. I love it as a quick detailer though.
SuperBee364
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NSXTASY said:
I've gone through one of two gallons of CG ONE. At first, I thought it was pretty good stuff. After using a gallon of it.... not so much. The marring from ONE is pretty bad. I think the problem comes from the fact that the product dries into a waxy haze. If you haven't gotten *all* the stuff off of your paint in the initial MF wipe before it hazes, it's going to cause marring when you have to dry buff off the wax haze. It also has kaolin clay in it, which of course hides defects. It was hiding them well enough that I didn't see the marring I was getting from using it until it was time to strip off the old wax.
ONE is a mediocre product, at best. Especially considering the price.
Haven't ever tried the PB product, though.
SuperBee364
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Also keep in mind that the majority of people are able to use it without issue, Fluxy. I'm just one of the lucky ones.
blk45
It's all in the prep!
SuperBee364 said:
Geez SB. Wouldn't it just be easier to do a conventional wash? That seems like a lot of work. One of the advantages of ONR is to save time.
SuperBee364
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blk45 said:
I dunno. I think the total amount of time it takes to do the touchless then ONR wash is about the same as a regular conventional wash. It's not really as hard as it sounds... pressure wash, foam cannon, pressure wash with the DI water, blow dry, ONR. I'm sure I could skip the blow dry part. I've been doing it so that the water on the car doesn't diulte the ONR, and also to see how clean the car gets from the touchless. It's pretty much the exact same steps as a conventional wash, they're just out of their usual order.
interesting thread as I sit here with a sample of ONR to use for the very first time once it finally stops raining 
I have a superb foam that actually cleans amazingly well, so would make the ideal pre-wash for any wash process, but one BIG issue for me is the hard water and resulting water spotting, given my driveway gets full sun all day...
My plan was going to be:
1. pre-spray QD strength mix via pressure spray 1 panel ahead of where I am working
2. 2BM wash - feel like I want to keep the rinse bucket - with either sheepskin mitt or Eurow towel
3. blow dry area with leaf blower
4. dab remaining water spotting with Miracle Dryer MF towel
REALLY hoping for minimal marring, although my silver car makes it near impossible to see anyway, but the others show it badly....
I have a superb foam that actually cleans amazingly well, so would make the ideal pre-wash for any wash process, but one BIG issue for me is the hard water and resulting water spotting, given my driveway gets full sun all day...
My plan was going to be:
1. pre-spray QD strength mix via pressure spray 1 panel ahead of where I am working
2. 2BM wash - feel like I want to keep the rinse bucket - with either sheepskin mitt or Eurow towel
3. blow dry area with leaf blower
4. dab remaining water spotting with Miracle Dryer MF towel
REALLY hoping for minimal marring, although my silver car makes it near impossible to see anyway, but the others show it badly....
I'm a day late and a dollar short, but here's my $.02.
I'm using ONR that's about two years old now and it still works just fine - sure the color went from blue to tanish long ago, but the properties still seem fine and it works just fine. Lubes and surfactants have a very long shelf life...I don't think that's the problem.
I also use a QD strength spray on, sponge off with rinse and wipe dry, so the method should be fine? Unless you're sponging/wiping off is too hard, you should be good...I use the sponge sortof like a squegee to lift dirt off the surface (rather than grind it in) and rinse frequently. Perhapas you don't rinse enough or should be switching to clean sooner.
I never see any marring and franking, considering the direction and motion of the washing, there's no way it could cause swirls.
Are you sure the problem is with the ONR and not some other process?
I'm using ONR that's about two years old now and it still works just fine - sure the color went from blue to tanish long ago, but the properties still seem fine and it works just fine. Lubes and surfactants have a very long shelf life...I don't think that's the problem.
I also use a QD strength spray on, sponge off with rinse and wipe dry, so the method should be fine? Unless you're sponging/wiping off is too hard, you should be good...I use the sponge sortof like a squegee to lift dirt off the surface (rather than grind it in) and rinse frequently. Perhapas you don't rinse enough or should be switching to clean sooner.
I never see any marring and franking, considering the direction and motion of the washing, there's no way it could cause swirls.
Are you sure the problem is with the ONR and not some other process?
accordmaniac said:
1. Even with access to DI/RO water and a pressure washer (like one of my customers had at his old office), I absolutely hated using it because ONR is so much quicker for me. Plus, ONR cleans just as well for me and since there are no suds in the way when I am washing, I don't miss anything.
2. The dirt gets completely released when you put the pad/towels in the washer. I don't worry about it when washing cars because it doesn't have any effect on how well ONR works.
Scottwax said:
I haven't really gotten to the point where ONR is faster for me; however, with the current restriction on watering, it's my ONLY option. I like ONR pretty well. I think a conventional wash with my foam gun is more fun, but I like ONR alright. I just recently was given a grout sponge by another member of this board, and I have to say that I like the Lowes Grout sponge more than any other ONR method I've tried yet. I was able to wash my black Chevy and not instill any marring. I just take it really slow and inspect the sponge alot.
Supe,
Have you tried a grout sponge? I'm like you, I'd rather do a touchless wash, but ONR really does look nice when you're done. I'd say that from the looks of it, it does leave something behind....but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
SuperBee364
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Way2SSlow said:
Four different types. I was using a GS when I first started to notice the marring.
Bigpikle, don't let this thread discourage you from your ONR plans. Most everyone uses it without any problem at all. You mentioned that your water is very hard. Mine is, too. You'll get much better results with ONR if you use DI water or even distilled water. If you decide to use your hard tap water, you might want to consider doubling the amount of ONR you use.
imported_Denzil
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Mindflux said:
Bigpikle said:interesting thread as I sit here with a sample of ONR to use for the very first time once it finally stops raining
I have a superb foam that actually cleans amazingly well, so would make the ideal pre-wash for any wash process, but one BIG issue for me is the hard water and resulting water spotting, given my driveway gets full sun all day...
My plan was going to be:
1. pre-spray QD strength mix via pressure spray 1 panel ahead of where I am working
2. 2BM wash - feel like I want to keep the rinse bucket - with either sheepskin mitt or Eurow towel
3. blow dry area with leaf blower
4. dab remaining water spotting with Miracle Dryer MF towel
REALLY hoping for minimal marring, although my silver car makes it near impossible to see anyway, but the others show it badly....
I always have two buckets when using ONR, just like I would have in a traditional wash. I use the Lowe's Proline grout sponge and have used both the old and new formula ONR. One thing that I do differently from the usual ONR wash is I use the pre-rinse technique that Patrick at Excel Detail uses. Personally, I prefer doing my ONR washes this way and it only adds less than 5 minutes or so. As far as drying goes, I just use a couple of WW MF's.
SuperBee364
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Mindflux said:
I'm using my Eurows. No lint on the windows, and they are really thirsty MF's. I can't imagine anything being more gentle on the CC than the Eurow MF.
imported_Larry A
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What happened to QEW, doesent anybody like it anymore?
I use ONR exclussively to wash my cars. I use a quality MF as my wash media, warm water, a single 5 gallon bucket with a grit guard, a WW MF to dry, wheel brush for the tires and wheel, and nothing else. I mix up 2 gallons of ONR wash solution in the bucket and use the MF starting at the top of car and work my way down. I dry with the WW MF as I go along. I end up doing the wheels and tires with the wheel brush using what is left of the ONR wash solution and dry with a dedicated wheel/tire MF.
After over 35 washes, my LS460 still doesn't have any marring or swirls. My wash MF floats over the surface of my car with a cushion of water between the car and the wash MF. I also keep my car protected with Optimum Opti-seal and OCW.
After over 35 washes, my LS460 still doesn't have any marring or swirls. My wash MF floats over the surface of my car with a cushion of water between the car and the wash MF. I also keep my car protected with Optimum Opti-seal and OCW.
