I need help spending money - I think I want Zaino

ron231 said:
True but if you use a sealant you cannot use RMG and out of every product I own (a lot) RMG has always been my favorite step every time I do a dark colored car.



Heck just the other day my neighbor wanted me to do his black 07 camry. He said he wanted to spend only $100 so I told him that I usually dont do anything that cheap but since he is my neighbor, I'd give him a discount. My process was wash>clay>p12s gloss enhancing paintwork cleanser> RMG>natty's blue.



When he saw the car the next morning, he gave me an extra $25 because of how wet and deep the paint looked. He said it looked like it wasat least an inch thick.



But like I said, if you wanted zaino for it's durability, collinite will outlast zaino most of the time, no joke. I know the owner of a detailing supply place (called PAL auto) and he has used everything under the sun. He said for duarility he always goes back to collinite and that it still looks better than any sealant.





If you send me a small amunt of money, I will send you samples of RMG, Natty's blue, and p21s paintwork cleanser. Then you can have one of the many Z fanboys on here send you a zaino sample. Put a line of blue tape down the middle of your hood, do half with zaino, half with what I sent you and see which is better.



Heck I bet the Z fanboys wont even charge you for a sample...
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You make it sound like if we like Zaino we should be treated as leppors.
 
If I see the term "fanboy" used again, someone's going in timeout. That kind of crap just serves to fan the flames of product flamewars, and it's getting old.



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I dont think that is what he meant. I too started with Zaino and still use some of their stuff. But as you research more and more and try new things, you realize that better results can be had for less money. Certainly it is a good product...Very good in fact. But fans of Zaino are quick to tell everyone that it is "the best" rather than trying new things.
 
Danforz said:
Thanks :)



Sometimes I think Sal should do something similar to his site to make it more user friendly... I remember the reason I initially went for Klasse Twins as opposed to Zaino was because I was wayyyy confused by all those #s on the website... and all of it was out of order.
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You are very welcome. I have used many products and I continue to try new products every year but at the end of each season (winters here are long and no detailing can really happen) I find myself back at Zaino. I am by no means a "fanboy" but I think that it is a quality product. But also realize that there are many other quality products out there as well.



A lot of people like nubas on black because often time black can come out "flat" or "depthless" especially flat black. I have had good luck with Z5P on black as well as carnubas, its really personal preference. I have seen amazing pictures of Souveran on black though. I have it and used it on my silver and I do not care for it.



If you want a basic Z starter kit get ZFX, Z2 or Z5 and a bottle of Z8. The rest of it there are cheaper products that you can use and still get all the benefits of Z.
 
I think that Z5P on black gives one of the best shines out there....But it doesnt have much depth or wetness to it...IMHO

Also, I believe that a better Z starter kit would be ZAIO, Z5P, CS, and Z8....If you must go with Zaino, that is what I would say for a black car.
 
I am going to have to disagree whole-heartedly with the "sealants have no depth." Many sealants have incredible depth. Z5pro for instance has a very carnauba like depth/glow to it. I think you would be best off attacking your car with a PC, menzerna Intensive polish, then Final Polish II, followed by the zaino system. You car will absolutely glow with that setup.



Recommended process:



Wash

Clay

Menzerna Intensive Polish

Menzerna Final Polish

Zaino AIO (optional)

Zaino Z5pro

Zaino Z2pro

Zaino CS

Zaino Z8 spray sealant



The reason I suggest adding in the Z2pro after the Z5pro is because it will give even more gloss after the Z5pro.



Greg
 
Yeah that's true.. I forgot about Z9/Z10/Z16/Z12/Z14. HAHA.. but usually most people talk about the sealants.



It's all good because Z-PC didn't really get all those swirls out for my car. That's why I went searching for more aggressive products like 3M or Menzerna.



Danspeed1,

Just try out Zaino by itself. It does have an awesome look alone. Some topped off a wax over Zaino. As for me, I havn't mixed any other products, but I did use Danase Speed Glaze under Z-CS which looks great.



If you don't like it then there's lots of stuff to try out. I might check out Jeffs Werkstatts once I run out of Zaino, but that's not going to be for awhile.
 
Definitely focus on getting all those swirls out first. Unless you do that, it won't matter so much what goes on top. Zaino, like many lsp's, is pretty unforgiving to improper preparation.



But at the end of the day, just go with what you feel like trying because, as you can tell, everyone's got their own opinion. :)
 
Oh.. about Z-5pro.. that stuff makes your car look darker and rich. That's the bottom line. I agree with Greg ^



Z-5pro IMO didn't hide swirls at all, but that's why you prep before you seal/wax.
 
GregCavi said:
I am going to have to disagree whole-heartedly with the "sealants have no depth." Many sealants have incredible depth. Z5pro for instance has a very carnauba like depth/glow to it. I think you would be best off attacking your car with a PC, menzerna Intensive polish, then Final Polish II, followed by the zaino system. You car will absolutely glow with that setup.



Recommended process:



Wash

Clay

Menzerna Intensive Polish

Menzerna Final Polish

Zaino AIO (optional)

Zaino Z5pro

Zaino Z2pro

Zaino CS

Zaino Z8 spray sealant



The reason I suggest adding in the Z2pro after the Z5pro is because it will give even more gloss after the Z5pro.







Greg
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Very good lineup, but I would nix the Z2P, because I think it is overkill....
 
WilliamHBonney said:
You make it sound like if we like Zaino we should be treated as leppors.
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Ill tell you what though,... he does have me second guessing the RMG! There always has to be 1, LOL. I do appreciate the help though.





Zaino guys,

Can you put a coat of caranuba wax atop the Zaino as a final step (before z8 of course) to get the look Ron is telling me I will lack?



Ron231... where can I work the RMG into the system?



Dan
 
Macruz19 said:
Not unless you want that extra gloss reflection.
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I have tried it with and without the z-2, and I cannot tell a difference...It must be my eyes, but i just dont think it is worth the extra money....I say dark colored car get the z5 light color get the z2
 
Danspeed1 said:
Ill tell you what though,... he does have me second guessing the RMG! There always has to be 1, LOL. I do appreciate the help though.





Zaino guys,

Can you put a coat of caranuba wax atop the Zaino as a final step (before z8 of course) to get the look Ron is telling me I will lack?



Ron231... where can I work the RMG into the system?



Dan
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You can top Zaino with a carnauba, but then you can only top it with a.) more carnauba, or b.) zaino CS.



I have topped Zaino with carnauba and to be honest, it didn't make a difference in the shine. I would just skip the carnauba. As per RMG, I would skip this to. Throwing oils in the mix may give a touch wetter look, but will overall lessen the durability. If you are going the Zaino route, skip the RMG.



Greg
 
joshtpa said:
I have tried it with and without the z-2, and I cannot tell a difference...It must be my eyes, but i just dont think it is worth the extra money....I say dark colored car get the z5 light color get the z2
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It might for you but it made a differance on my car. I noticed Z-2 has reflects more in the light, and Z-5p has more depth and makes the finish darker which I like for my Anthracite.

Z-CS IMO is similiar to Z-2p.



In the Zaino site it said to use Z-2pro as the last coat (excluding Z-CS) to give better protection, but I'm sure Z-5p and Z-2p have the same durability.
 
joshtpa said:
I have tried it with and without the z-2, and I cannot tell a difference...It must be my eyes, but i just dont think it is worth the extra money....I say dark colored car get the z5 light color get the z2
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It was VERY evident to my eyes, the differences between Z2pro and Z5pro on my red car. The paint was an "in your face," gloss. If that doesn't catch the eyes of passerby's, nothing will. lol.



The z5pro on darks, Z2pro on lights, is a good rule of thumb in my book.



Greg
 
Danspeed1 said:
Ill tell you what though,... he does have me second guessing the RMG! There always has to be 1, LOL. I do appreciate the help though.





Zaino guys,

Can you put a coat of caranuba wax atop the Zaino as a final step (before z8 of course) to get the look Ron is telling me I will lack?



Ron231... where can I work the RMG into the system?



Dan
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You certainly can put a nuba on top but I have done that with several nubas and a) it did not make much difference and b) it did not last long.



To me its like putting salad oil on top of water, it just floats on the surface until something washes it away, it never really bonds.



I do not think that putting Z8 on top of a nuba is really worth it, its not going to bond and then you are back at the oil and water thing.
 
My head is absolutely spinning,... but I have to say, this is the most helpful forum I have ever been on. You guys are quick to help a newbbee out and I really appreciate that. What I think i am going to do is order the Zaino before i confuse myself and give it a try. If I feel something is missing I will try and tweek it a bit. I have a few ideas from other threads I have read. I am sure that there are other products alot better, cheaper, and even more expensive then Zaino but for a beginner I feel like this will be a good place to get started. Anything has to be an improvement over swirls and meguiars off the shelf. I am going to order there ultimate kit and add a few things into the order,



While I still have you all here, is the tire gloss worth getting, I currently am using Armor All Extreme and I must say for the price, I am extremely happy.



Thanks again for all the help,



Dan
 
joshtpa said:
I have tried it with and without the z-2, and I cannot tell a difference...It must be my eyes, but i just dont think it is worth the extra money....I say dark colored car get the z5 light color get the z2
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I am the same way. Maybe others have a better eye than me for that type of thing.
 
Danspeed1 said:
My head is absolutely spinning,... but I have to say, this is the most helpful forum I have ever been on. You guys are quick to help a newbbee out and I really appreciate that. What I think i am going to do is order the Zaino before i confuse myself and give it a try. If I feel something is missing I will try and tweek it a bit. I have a few ideas from other threads I have read. I am sure that there are other products alot better, cheaper, and even more expensive then Zaino but for a beginner I feel like this will be a good place to get started. I am going to order there ultimate kit and add a few things into the order,



While I still have you all here, is the tire gloss worth getting, I currently am using Armor All Extreme and I must say for the price, I am extremely happy.



Thanks again for all the help,



Dan
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I use the Armor All Extreme exclusively, you are not going to see any major gains by getting the Z tire dressing. Stick with the AAE, its good stuff and HIGHLY under rated. People get stuck on the AA name.
 
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