I love Klasse AIO

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Kimo

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I used AIO today for the first time, and I am very impressed. I have a silver Mitsubishi Eclipse GT (the 3G, 2001) and I got some AIO on the reccomendation of a lot of you here. I used the Meg's Even coat MF applicator, and I had to use 2, since the AIO was cleaning so much junk off of my WASHED TWICE AND CLAYED car!

I had a spot on my driver's side fender for the longest time that would not come off...Just a little dark spot, I don't know what it was, but it bugged the hell out of me. AIO took it off with a few swipes. This stuff is freaking amazing. The biggest suprise came when I used it on the rubber around my windows. DEAR LORD it was dirty! I scrubbed that trim when I washed the car! TWICE!

I can be fair and suspect that most paint cleaners work this well but I am SOLD on Klasse AIO. I will say that I'm not sure it really makes a difference in the final look after applying NXT as an LSP (except for the better surface prep). I do not have a PC (and I don't have enough WAF to get one soon :)) so I can't really polish the paint. That reduces the WOW of the final look.

Bottom line, AIO=Good (for me)!

Jamie
 
Ya AIO is great stuff. I reallly love using this as a cleaner and a prewax cleaner. ITs great stuff. I just need to save up enough to buy a bigger container next time. Its amazing stuff but it is quite pricey per once.

Greg
 
Waxxy said:
I'm an AIO fan too!
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I love the two year old bottle I have. Problem with AIO is that from what I'm hearing they had to change the formulation because of VOC regs and it's not nearly as good a cleaner as it was. You may have gotten some older stock I don't know. I am hearing from long time Klasse users that are getting newer stock and they say that it is definitely different stuff. Not surprising considering the formula was over 30 years old.
 
Hey Anthony.. Man that is a bummer. Klasse stuff is the bomb (as it is now). I have just bought some stuff, and its in the same bottle - looks and performs just like the old stuff. I wonder if I just bought old stuff?
 
AIO has not changed their formula according to autogeek. They posted it some time ago that they spoke with Klasse and their where no changes that occured.
Edit: Here's the link
 
wytstang said:
AIO has not changed their formula according to autogeek. They posted it some time ago that they spoke with Klasse and their where no changes that occured.
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This has been debated at length on Autopia and there are many that will dispute what you just said including a couple of the moderators over there.

Autogeek does not produce this product. Autogeek only spits back what they here from Klasse USA. Klasse USA is an importer they have nothing to do with manufacturing of this product either. Try getting hold of Klasse USA. As good as the product is the customers service is a joke. This company is very bad at customer info. No phone #, no e mail address that I'm aware of. Just a bunch of second hand Babel that gets passed along. Too many people that I respect have noticed that it's changed. Think about it a 30 yr old formula and I'm supposed to believe it's VOC compliant. No way.
 
Klasse is imported for sale in the US and supposed to be 90% the same as the Carlack of Germany line. There is an updated version of the Carlack 68 products for sale now in the US at the link below.

http://www.jeffswerkstatt.com/products.php

Prime = Klasse All-in-One

Acrylic Jett = Klasse Sealant Glaze

These are the latest updated formulas from Carlack and the Prime has the new nano abrasives that are supposed to be much smaller than in the original AIO. :jump
 
Anthony A said:
This has been debated at length on Autopia and there are many that will dispute what you just said including a couple of the moderators over there.

Autogeek does not produce this product. Autogeek only spits back what they here from Klasse USA. Klasse USA is an importer they have nothing to do with manufacturing of this product either. Try getting hold of Klasse USA. As good as the product is the customers service is a joke. This company is very bad at customer info. No phone #, no e mail address that I'm aware of. Just a bunch of second hand Babel that gets passed along. Too many people that I respect have noticed that it's changed. Think about it a 30 yr old formula and I'm supposed to believe it's VOC compliant. No way.
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With out a chemist testing old bashes with current bashes is all just speculation. No venders produce their own towels, so do they know there towels have 90,000+ per sq. in. nope. VOC regs are not the same in every state it's just like performace car parts most can be used in all states except Cali. So why can't detailing products do the same and restrict some states where thier formula doen't comply. As long as the product does what it claims all is well in the world ;).
 
chml17l said:
Klasse is imported for sale in the US and supposed to be 90% the same as the Carlack of Germany line. There is an updated version of the Carlack 68 products for sale now in the US at the link below.

http://www.jeffswerkstatt.com/products.php

Prime = Klasse All-in-One

Acrylic Jett = Klasse Sealant Glaze

These are the latest updated formulas from Carlack and the Prime has the new nano abrasives that are supposed to be much smaller than in the original AIO. :jump
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I have the complete Werkstatt line on the way. Quite excited to try the Prime and see how it compares to the old AIO I have, as well as the rest of the line.
 
wytstang said:
VOC regs are not the same in every state it's just like performace car parts most can be used in all states except Cali. So why can't detailing products do the same and restrict some states where thier formula doen't comply. As long as the product does what it claims all is well in the world ;).
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There is no reason why detailing products can't restrict some states where their formula doesn't comply. The thing is Klasse is claiming their products do comply and their was not and will not be a formulation change. I don't believe it. Not after hearing from many that have used the newer stuff. Also it's hard to believe a 30 year old formula is VOC compliant.
 
vantage said:
I have the complete Werkstatt line on the way. Quite excited to try the Prime and see how it compares to the old AIO I have, as well as the rest of the line.
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Looking forward to hearing your comments when you've had a chance to try them side by side. ;)
 
Anthony A said:
There is no reason why detailing products can't restrict some states where their formula doesn't comply. The thing is Klasse is claiming their products do comply and their was not and will not be a formulation change. I don't believe it. Not after hearing from many that have used the newer stuff. Also it's hard to believe a 30 year old formula is VOC compliant.
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You can continue to go back and forth over whether Klasse has really changed AIO or not. But, you speculate that it has changed because of VOC compliance; however, not all states have adopted VOC laws as near-sighted as California's.

Reasons AIO could be VOC compliant:
Klasse AIO is water-based not solvent-based. Just because it has a solvent smell, doesn't mean it is non-VOC compliant. It contains certain solvent cleaners that have a detectible odor. Not all solvents are ozone depleters and it is just as probable that it contains some solvent(s) that are not on the VOC list.

People can continue to speculate that "new" Klasse is not as good as old Klasse. Unfortuantely, there are some people out there with hidden agendas and they are trying to use this to discredit a well established product.

Manufacturers tweak formulations all the time and the public doesn't really know of or recognize a difference. I doubt whether Klasse USA would put out a substandard product if it were to change AIO. Until I can actually compare the "new" against the old for myself, you are only perpetuating the myth that the "new" formula isn't as good.
 
chml17l said:
You can continue to go back and forth over whether Klasse has really changed AIO or not. But, you speculate that it has changed because of VOC compliance; however, not all states have adopted VOC laws as near-sighted as California's.
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I think it's safe to say that California is the major market for car care products in the USA. Their regulations have a huge impact on the car care product industry. Just look at the products that have been dropped (Megs #16, 3M Perfect It III line and others) or the hundreds that have been reformulated because of VOC. It doesn't matter if the other states have "adopted VOC laws as near-sighted as California's" they are small potatoes compared to California in the detailing products market. Also are you willing to bet that California's "near-sighted VOC laws" won't be adopted by the other states eventually? If you are I will take that bet.
 
chml17l said:
Klasse is imported for sale in the US and supposed to be 90% the same as the Carlack of Germany line. There is an updated version of the Carlack 68 products for sale now in the US at the link below.

http://www.jeffswerkstatt.com/products.php

Prime = Klasse All-in-One

Acrylic Jett = Klasse Sealant Glaze

These are the latest updated formulas from Carlack and the Prime has the new nano abrasives that are supposed to be much smaller than in the original AIO. :jump
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Yes it is widely believed that Carlack of Germany is the maker of Klasse. The release of the new version of Carlack is just one more reason to beleive Klasse is reformulated.
 
chml17l said:
Reasons AIO could be VOC compliant:
Klasse AIO is water-based not solvent-based. Just because it has a solvent smell, doesn't mean it is non-VOC compliant. It contains certain solvent cleaners that have a detectible odor. Not all solvents are ozone depleters and it is just as probable that it contains some solvent(s) that are not on the VOC list.


Manufacturers tweak formulations all the time and the public doesn't really know of or recognize a difference. I doubt whether Klasse USA would put out a substandard product if it were to change AIO. Until I can actually compare the "new" against the old for myself, you are only perpetuating the myth that the "new" formula isn't as good.
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3M Perfect It III was water based products and they have been discontinued because they were not VOC compliant.


Yes Manufactures tweak formulas all the time, absolutely correct. So why would I or you believe Klasse has not done so to a 30 year old product. As for perpetuating a myth that is a ridiculous statement. You your self said that you will wait to compare the two versions of Klasse and them compare. To say it's a myth is to say it is proven that there is no new formulation. It certainly is not proven. If it is why are you going to compare?


Does anybody else find it interesting that in the thread wytstang linked in his post that Jason from Autogeek never answered any of my questions after his initial post to start the thread. He hints at a separate formula for California but doesn't clarify when asked for further details. He is absent from this thread as well. Maybe he has some new info he would like to share. Maybe not.

As far as I'm concerned Klasse brings this kind of speculation on itself. They should be much more open about their products and have a phone # or e mail address to answer customer inquiries. Instead they give out info through resellers and who know nothing about the product and leave everything open to speculation. Maybe if Klasse didn't behave so bush league and provided a resource to get more up to date info this kind of speculation wouldn't be happening.
 
I prefer to use and discuss products that work for me rather than continue on about a particular product/company that Anthony A has an issue with.

I agree that it is frustrating to try to get any info out of Klasse USA. I doubt if they will change their low profile based on a few disgruntled internet posts.

It seems that Carlack might be taking a more public US profile with the introduction of the Prime/Acrylic Jett. That's why I mentioned the Carlack products link.

If Klasse doesn't work for you, there are many other fine products out there to use.:)
 
Anthony A said:
There is no reason why detailing products can't restrict some states where their formula doesn't comply. The thing is Klasse is claiming their products do comply and their was not and will not be a formulation change. I don't believe it. Not after hearing from many that have used the newer stuff. Also it's hard to believe a 30 year old formula is VOC compliant.
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VOC regulations change through the years if Meg’s#16 was able to stay the same/comply using their ingredients for 50yrs why can't Klasse do the same in only 30 using their ingredients. What exactly has been "rumored" to have changed color/consistency/performance???? The ingredients can be the same put the process/containers they are stored in could be different (not having to do anything with VOC regs) giving them a different color/texture. Who knows but Klasse so I guess you have to take there word for it (if you want). I’m new to the detailing world so you probably have a better idea than I do so take what I have to say for what’s worth (which ain’t much ;) )
 
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