I just ordered Vintage

calgarydetail said:
just tel her you will start waxing the cars more..
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Heh heh, I gotta watch it that she doesn't want something more labor-intensive than #16 on her A8....still remembers how much better she liked Souveran :nervous:
 
Accumulator said:
calgarydetail- Been out with the dogs, so I'm late to this party..congrats on the Vintage purchase, I'll be looking forward to your report on it.



Last night I told Accumulatorette how the hot topic was a $1800 wax with free refills, and the only thing she wondered about what why I'd need refills since I use so little LSP. Sorta surprised me that spending $2K on a wax sounded reasonable to her :heelclick
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I have to say you use far more wax by bare hand than you do with an applicator. You would think putting it on by hand would give you a thinner coat, quite the opposite. I have done bare hand wax application many times, and I do use it still with some waxes as they seem to work better that way however you absolutely do use more product.



So IMO for a bare hand applied wax the refills are gonna save you.
 
ron231 said:
I have to say you use far more wax by bare hand than you do with an applicator. You would think putting it on by hand would give you a thinner coat, quite the opposite. I have done bare hand wax application many times, and I do use it still with some waxes as they seem to work better that way however you absolutely do use more product.



So IMO for a bare hand applied wax the refills are gonna save you.
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You know, I hadn't thought of that. You're right. Since you'll be essentially washing away some of that wax when you clean your hands (or rubbing it off on a towel) there's always going to be some wax you'll end up taking out of the jar, but never making it to the car.
 
I've actually tried the by hand vs applicator thing since I see a lot of people mention that you save wax with an applicator. I just don't see it. Maybe I am doing something differently, but it seems like I use the same amount regardless.
 
the only thing I can see contributing to using less with an applicator vs hand is the fact that sometimes you can put a bit more pressure on the pad to 'squeeze' (if you will) some product out.
 
Did you get it yet?



About the online comparison: Realize that by itself you cannot realistically determine how well products will compete against each other. I remember a similar comparison done online between Zaino and a Zymol. Personally although its good for curiosity, I would think that the comparison would not be equal. If a $1200 or $7000 (staying out of that Solaris debacle.......anyways) beats a $15, then how would that really be considered apples vs. apples, since the mega buck wax would (should) have attributes that are different than the significantly lower priced brand.



But veering back to the topic; I can't wait to see your results Mike!
 
lbls1 said:
(staying out of that Solaris debacle.......anyways)
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Oh come on, lets hear what you really think about solaris. I presonally find it ridiculous, a GOLDEN SPOON hahahahaha!





Oh and about the bare hand application, the reason I say you use more with bare hands is only because it goes on thinner with an applicator, not because it sticks to your hands or anything else.



To those of you who own bare hand waxes, try applying it on half of your hood with bare hands, and the other half with a microfiber applicator. Observe the difference in how thin the coats are.



But like I said, there are some waxes where I do still use the bare hand method even if it uses more product and is more work to remove (due to a thicker coat). On top of that while you are doing it you feel like you are really pampering the finish.
 
ron231 said:
Oh and about the bare hand application, the reason I say you use more with bare hands is only because it goes on thinner with an applicator, not because it sticks to your hands or anything else.
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Oh, Ok.



Also, like you said, with the free refills, it becomes a moot point anyway.
 
stiffdogg06 said:
When are you suppose to actually receive Vintage?
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dunno.. lol i have been on the phone with him the last couple days. I guees when i ordered it online it held the money on my CC, but it wasnt actuly supposted to.. now I an cancel the trasaction. So im hoping my late next week. But we also have to rememeber.. theres customs (ops almost swore) .. oh well it willcome. And whats a puchase like ths without a few speed bumps





edit: It has been put through. The issue was resolved (thansk brett at ocd). Brett was a great help. so top marks. He said the order would be here in about a week. Not sure if that includeds expected custom time.. but either way. I should only be a weekish... :birthday: to me lol :grinno:
 
ron231 said:
Oh come on, lets hear what you really think about solaris. I presonally find it ridiculous, a GOLDEN SPOON hahahahaha!





Oh and about the bare hand application, the reason I say you use more with bare hands is only because it goes on thinner with an applicator, not because it sticks to your hands or anything else.



To those of you who own bare hand waxes, try applying it on half of your hood with bare hands, and the other half with a microfiber applicator. Observe the difference in how thin the coats are.



But like I said, there are some waxes where I do still use the bare hand method even if it uses more product and is more work to remove (due to a thicker coat). On top of that while you are doing it you feel like you are really pampering the finish.
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OK but you're not gonna like it. You guys may know where I stand with zymol waxes in general, but....



Their prices have been an issue with me all along (even when I was a staunch critic of them.........yes I was like a lot of you all that said they were bogus). I think that the price is outrageous for Solaris, but again that's giving them the benefit of the doubt that I know nothing of it other than the advertisement.



If this is some freak scientific break-through (like bionics........they cost "millions of dollars") then I can see perhaps a little mark-up. I am afraid that this product is priced out of any competitive market, and only the very rich or very eccentric and rich would be able to afford it. Granted their only making 25 units of it, and if they're doing it to make a statement or be noticed, then that's one heck of an attention grabber.



Their waxes are phenomenal, but I hope Zymol will one day come off of the "one only" thought process and get back into making serious waxes. The rest of their product line is still top notch (and expensive), however.



Happy Birthday Mike. Let me know when your block of ice arrives!!!!! Go figure I have my own........lol!!!



Edit: Like Mike stated, the bare hand method requires a "getting used to." It is very effective in applying the compound when its done right.
 
thanks for the b-day wishes guys. Its not till tuesday but i will just open the thread again on tuesday and pretend it was just writen lol

I will sure let you know when it comes. Ihave a feeling there will be mroe then a few pics to share with the world :D
 
I have a pulled mucle in my shoulder. So my Vintage goes on via UDM and the softest pad available. The wax quikly liqifies as the heat from the pad melts the wax. I personally can not tell the difference between hand & UDM applicaton. Gie me some feedback!
 
MDRX8- Sorry to hear about your shoulder, hope it heals up soon. That's how I got hooked on machine waxing (both on and off)...it was the only way I could do it for a while.



Interesting that it's working out OK for you with the Vintage.
 
Thanks, I just can not see how it benefits you to apply by hand. As you use the PC or UDM you can clearly see the nuba wax (even that high of a percent) "melts" on to the cars finish. And it takes a while for the Vintage to dry completely. I apply to the whole car the buff after with no problems.



Accumulator said:
MDRX8- Sorry to hear about your shoulder, hope it heals up soon. That's how I got hooked on machine waxing (both on and off)...it was the only way I could do it for a while.



Interesting that it's working out OK for you with the Vintage.
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Forgive me for asking if its already been discussed before, but honestly, whats to keep a Vintage owner from portioning out the product to friends, getting a refill, and dividing it up again?? I mean other than the obvious moral issues couldn't someone turn a pretty healthy profit selling off portions of their Vintage??
 
I guess you could. But Zymol keeps tracks of refills. But I look at it this way, when I bought it I knew part of the deal was for my use only. In a way I accepted a verbal contract not to give anyone my serial #'rd Vintage. It would be dishonest and thats not my style. JMHO...
 
MDRX8 said:
I guess you could. But Zymol keeps tracks of refills. But I look at it this way, when I bought it I knew part of the deal was for my use only. In a way I accepted a verbal contract not to give anyone my serial #'rd Vintage. It would be dishonest and thats not my style. JMHO...
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Definitely would be some back handed stuff for sure... and something I wouldn't participate in. I'm just shocked all they have is a verbal agreement. With as many dishonest people as there are in the world you'd think someone somewhere would already be doing this... and if they were how could Zymol prove anything??
 
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