I compared Zaino to Klasse

Originally posted by eShine



At the moment an all different sections it has



-Poorboys Professional polish

-EX

-EX-P

-Zaino

-Klasse

-Wolfgang

-#16

-P21S

-Our own brand (May be released next spring )



Appears quite similar to my detailing cabinets. :o



eShine don't forget me when you needs testers for your line of products next Spring. :xyxthumbs
 
Hey guys just a quick update. The dust issue with Zaino did not go away. I Z6'ed the Hood daily over the last week every time It got dusty. I did however try topping the Zaino with Meg's #16. The Carnauba Topper did eliminate the dist attraction issue. What I noticed at this time was that the hood now looked more like the Klasse'd fender. Basically, Zaino topped with a Carnauba looks the same as Klasse on white. After having this dusting issue I have done some research here on Autopia and soon realized many others have had similar problems. Its also odd that many don't. Anyway, just thought I would add this update before I SSR1 the entire vehicle and re-apply my favourite products!
 
Too many people have ties to websites that sell klasse and it makes for funny comments about zaino. Zaino is very very remarkable and klasse is very very remarkable. The difference is klasse is horrible to work with but gives a slightly deeper shine, zaino is a peach to work with and gives a shinier shine, end of story. They both have week points but the two are probably the best two sealants available. I use them both but laugh when people bash Zaino with non truths. A bottle of Klasse will last ten to twenty times longer than Zaino, only because if you had both you'd use the zaino ten times more. If your a proper detailing freak the shine will deeping the more coats you apply of either.
 
Burlyq said:
Too many people have ties to websites that sell klasse and it makes for funny comments about zaino.
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Actually, not enough people sell Zaino online. Zaino will not allow online resellers or I myself would acquire it also. I don't dislike Zaino at all. Yes we sell Klasse but that does not make us automatically dislike any products we donâ€â„¢t sell. All of your statements agree with what I found. Klasse is less Shiny but deeper, Zaino is Shinier but shallower. There are no "Non Truths" in what I found. You may have known these characteristics of each product but I did not before I compared the two. Zaino attracting dust is not a funny comment, it is what happened when I tested Zaino. Sorry you did not like the results but they were indeed what happened.
 
The reason for this website is to share experiences. If every product worked for everyone the same way no matter the environmental conditions, application or skill, there would be no reason for Autopia existence. Because one product doesn't result in the same result as another person does not mean the person is bashing the product. I have had great results from Zaino and no dust problems on several of my black vehicles no less. I live in rural Virginia and Chris lives in Canada. Completely different environments. Chris is experienced with working with products. I am experiences with working with differents products. Zaino just did not for him and I take that as his true experience. Not bashing.

Burlyq, I think you are looking too deep into others experiences. You are not going to find a universally positive experience from every product. You mentioned Klasse for example as being a bear to work with. I do not. But many like yourself do. I do not take your statement, even though if I viewed reviews like you do, as bashing. Klasse just does not work for you with the ease you expect.

Read other reviews of products for what they are worth. Do not take their personal experience as your experience or as invalidation of your usage of a product or their inability to use the product correctly.

Because Zaino works for me, you and many others, does not mean that when someone else has a negative experience that they are bashing the product.

Personally, I do not need someone calling themself protecting me from vendors and their possible personal motives. We had assigned moderators that already do a fine job of this and I believe I am intelligent enough also to filter through the BS.

Thanks but no thanks. :nono :nono
 
eShine said:
Actually, not enough people sell Zaino online. Zaino will not allow online resellers or I myself would acquire it also. I don't dislike Zaino at all. Yes we sell Klasse but that does not make us automatically dislike any products we donâ€â„¢t sell. All of your statements agree with what I found. Klasse is less Shiny but deeper, Zaino is Shinier but shallower. There are no "Non Truths" in what I found. You may have known these characteristics of each product but I did not before I compared the two. Zaino attracting dust is not a funny comment, it is what happened when I tested Zaino. Sorry you did not like the results but they were indeed what happened.
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I just think it is unethical for someone like you who sells a product to put down the product that competes with what you sell w/o saying what you represent. I have no ties, I'm just a detailer who got an injury so I'm spending extra time in these forums and I am appauled at the unethical things that are going on. Everyone knows that klasse collects dust way more than Zaino. But yeah if you coat with a nuba of course it will collect dust more than either Zaino or klasse. Someone like me just wants fairness, if your selling something sell it, don't degrade other prominant products in doing so, whether it's Zaino or any other product. I use klasse when a customer asks for it so obviously I have no major problems with the product. But it aint Zaino, and if that dude opened up his distribution you would all jump that ship in a heartbeat.



BLK- I have no problems with other experiences I promise you. There are a lot of loyal peps that like what ever they like and that's cool, so long as it isn't nu finish, lol. I just would like to see a rule that makes vendors not comment about other products than their own. Do you think your getting the truth otherwise?



Eshine sells klasse and does a comparison between klasse and zaino. Hmm. Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
 
Burlyq said:
I just think it is unethical for someone like you who sells a product to put down the product that competes with what you sell w/o saying what you represent. I have no ties, I'm just a detailer who got an injury so I'm spending extra time in these forums and I am appauled at the unethical things that are going on. Everyone knows that klasse collects dust way more than Zaino. But yeah if you coat with a nuba of course it will collect dust more than either Zaino or klasse. Someone like me just wants fairness, if your selling something sell it, don't degrade other prominant products in doing so, whether it's Zaino or any other product. I use klasse when a customer asks for it so obviously I have no major problems with the product. But it aint Zaino, and if that dude opened up his distribution you would all jump that ship in a heartbeat.



BLK- I have no problems with other experiences I promise you. There are a lot of loyal peps that like what ever they like and that's cool, so long as it isn't nu finish, lol. I just would like to see a rule that makes vendors not comment about other products than their own. Do you think your getting the truth otherwise?



Eshine sells klasse and does a comparison between klasse and zaino. Hmm. Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
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You seem to be upset that Zaino did not rate perfect and beat Klasse Hands down. Heck, I never even said Klasse is better. I just prefered the look of Klasse. I stated Zaino's pros over Klasse such as Application, Amount used, smell etc. I am not a salesman selling Steak knives here. Just because I sell Klasse doesnâ€â„¢t mean I am competing with Zaino, I am not a manufacturer. If you think me being a retailer will change my views on products you thought wrong.



RE:"Everyone knows that klasse collects dust way more than Zaino"



Who is "Everyone"? Are you putting words into mouths?



RE:"someone like you who sells a product to put down the product that competes with what you sell w/o saying what you represent. "



I thought my username and signature made that quite obvious. I am sorry my first honest review makes you think I am a corporate giant trying to push a product. I though Autopia was about sharing experiences.



PS, I was on Autopia way before I decided to become a retailer. I was honest then and I am honest now, Please don't push an unhonest image on me unless you are 100% sure my motive was to bash Zaino.
 
Burlyq said:


I just would like to see a rule that makes vendors not comment about other products than their own. Do you think your getting the truth otherwise?
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Being a vendor doesnâ€â„¢t make a liar. Most vendors are pretty well known and will not lead you in a false direction. Most vendors test products on a regular basis and have a good eye for small differences. Eliminating this can eliminate good knowledge. Manufactures may be different though :nixweiss



I personally do these test so I can give a customer an honest opinion. I have many ask me how Klasse compares to Zaino. If I would have told them Klasse is better or told them negative things about Zaino without actually doing a test, that would be unworthy!
 
Burlyq said:
BLK- I have no problems with other experiences I promise you. There are a lot of loyal peps that like what ever they like and that's cool, so long as it isn't nu finish, lol. I just would like to see a rule that makes vendors not comment about other products than their own. Do you think your getting the truth otherwise?

Eshine sells klasse and does a comparison between klasse and zaino. Hmm. Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
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Call me naive and experienced with the members and vendors on this forum. I have never in my 4 years been duded by a vendor or member expressing their self-serving opinions or selling their products that did not get discovered very quickly by the administration of this forum. What is great about this forum is the florishing of trading products (samples) for trial before purchasing. Maybe the postal services are involved to drum out more business? :nixweiss Many vendors actually will send out free samples of their products at no cost. Not even postage. Why? because they believe their products are good and forfill a detailing need.



Do I believe Eshine's review is truthful even though he has his own line of detailing products. Yes, he has never demostrated here in the past that his experiences have been skewed towards any specific line of products.

What I would find very untasteful would be not posting a problem that maybe relevant to someone that details in an environment similiar to his. A persistant dust problem IMO is an environment problem and not a product problem. Zaino is not a electrically charged substance so settling of environmental particulates must be the cause. Another cause in combination or part of the environment is also the humidity or better stated, lack of it. Causing an increase formation of static electricity.

Remember Chris's experience with dusting and Zaino is not a isolated occurrence. Some people just have this problem. I do not. Accept it, offer methods that may alleviate the problem and move on.



Hope your injury is getting better. :xyxthumbs
 
Hmm, After reading the following,



BurlyQ get another Klase thread outa control then locked...



And hey look, you have been Banned from DetailCity for the SAME EXACT thread from another member, Are we creating a pattern here?

BurlyQ's DetailCity war against Klasse







Its obvious what BurlyQ's intentions are. He seems Pro-Zaino and Anti-Klasse. Burly, if you are looking for a Pro-Zaino forum try,



http://forums.roadfly.org/forums/detailing/



Stop turning good threads into your own personal war against other products and forums. This forum is as good as it is due to its open minded approach about all products.
 
EShine, did you do a side by side comparison with half the hood applied with Zaino and half the hood applied with some other product to come to your dust attraction issue with Zaino?



...or is it just a general observation?



If the latter than I would suggest you try a side by side comparison. Any time I have tried side by side comparisons I have never noticed a difference as far as dust attraction with ANY wax or sealant.



It has been my experience that it is usually a matter of environmental conditions at the time as to whether you get more or less dust and has absolutely nothing to do with what product was used on the finish.
 
There was a great side by side comparo of a guy who did half z and half I forget....... The pics were great, someone has to have the link?
 
RIC said:
EShine, did you do a side by side comparison with half the hood applied with Zaino and half the hood applied with some other product to come to your dust attraction issue with Zaino?



...or is it just a general observation?



If the latter than I would suggest you try a side by side comparison. Any time I have tried side by side comparisons I have never noticed a difference as far as dust attraction with ANY wax or sealant.



It has been my experience that it is usually a matter of environmental conditions at the time as to whether you get more or less dust and has absolutely nothing to do with what product was used on the finish.
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Not both products on a single panel but Zaino on the Hood and Klasse on the fender. The hood was previously done in Klasse and did not experience the dust issues.
 
rmaurin said:
Hi Chris,



Did you try Z5? Does it give you some depth/wetness compared to Z2?



Rich
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I did not have any Z5. I am curious if Layering Zaino gives more depth while maintaining its clarity also. Anyone??
 
Hi Chris,



Thanks for the relpy.



I tried Zaino on my black Saab 900. Z2 and Z6. Super smooth. Super shiny. No depth. The car looked like it was made of plastic. I was not sure if I liked the look or not. I did take it off. Zaino did attract loads of dust though.



I have read that Z5 has a different look thann Z2. Z5 is supposed to have depth and look wet. I may purchase Z5 and try it on the trunk lid of my Red Saab Aero. I have FMJ on the Aero and am really happy with it. I would just like to try Z5/Z6 to see if I like it better than FMJ. BTW FMJ seems to repel dust.



Regards,

Rich
 
I got banned from DC because the owner of that website lets moderators boot people who expose that site for what it is. Detail City is not like autopia, if you don't go along with the comments of the vendors you will be attacked. Lol, that site is the most unethical site on the Web, if I would have exposed you there the thread would have been deleted, but here it's for the world to see. Eshine, your just a vendor get outahere, or tell us that you represent something instead of acting like a newbie, lma. Well with friends like BLK you'll go far. Thanks for the unbiased review, lol.



One question, why is every review about something against Zaino? Could it be that Zaino is a threat for some reason?



I've said my peace and that's it, ya'll have a great day. Q
 
I've used Zaino and found it dusty as well. I live near Toronto, not really sure where e-SHINE lives, but the environmental part of the equation suggested by blkz28conv seems quite reasonable.

I bought #20 this year for protection, as i can't get a hold of any Klasse. I would be happy to do a side by side test ON THE HOOD ONLY of a Klasse sample and some of my full bottles of Zaino i have sitting around, and report back my findings.

I'm not a vendor, or anyone that has any bias toward one product vs. another.
 
ryeh2o said:
I've used Zaino and found it dusty as well. I live near Toronto, not really sure where e-SHINE lives, but the environmental part of the equation suggested by blkz28conv seems quite reasonable.

I bought #20 this year for protection, as i can't get a hold of any Klasse. I would be happy to do a side by side test ON THE HOOD ONLY of a Klasse sample and some of my full bottles of Zaino i have sitting around, and report back my findings.

I'm not a vendor, or anyone that has any bias toward one product vs. another.
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We are located in Port Colborne in the Niagara Region.
 
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