I compared Zaino to Klasse

[RedondoV6]

"Your numbers seem twisted to fit your argument."



Z2 costs $1.61 an ounce. I'll be liberal and add $2 for 4 ZFX drops. That is $3.61 per ounce, which I can do 2-3 coats with. Twice a year times 3 cars (2 x 3.61 x 3 = 21.66).

I use Z5 and Z2 on three cars and my spending figures are much closer to ZaneO's estimates than to $40-$60 a year. (I am still using the same bottles of Z5 and Z2 what I purchased 2 years ago!).



Also, there is no need to use ZFX after the first layer, unless you want to apply multiple layers quickly. Personally using ZFX on every application is worth the extra expense to me, down here in the warmer South, I can easily apply 3 layers of Z2 or Z5 to a vehicle in an hour when using ZFX, no waiting times. My time is just more valuable to me than the extra expense of using ZFX.



BTW, Although I disagree with Chris's conclusions (personal preference only) I do want to join the other members, complimenting Chris on an excellent review. I think it highlights the differences between the two sealants very well and is very fair and balanced in it's presentation.



Good job Chris! :xyxthumbs

 

[eShine]

BTW, Although I disagree with Chris's conclusions (personal preference only) I do want to join the other members, complimenting Chris on an excellent review. I think it highlights the differences between the two sealants very well and is very fair and balanced in it's presentation.



Good job Chris! :xyxthumbs

Do you disagree with my preference or conclusion? I always make sure I don't say one product is better than an another. I have found that it all comes down to personal preference and bordem. I often get bored of a product after using it for so long. I will switch brands just for a new experience! Carnaubas are the worst! I go from P21S to Natty's to #16.............

 

[abc]

So which product should I get?

This is confusing.........

I would use a claybar in either product and that is already included in the Zaino preparation. Is it the preparation that is more important like in painting that will determine which product will offer a longer and better protection?

 

[RedondoV6]

Do you disagree with my preference or conclusion? I always make sure I don't say one product is better than an another. I have found that it all comes down to personal preference and bordem. I often get bored of a product after using it for so long. I will switch brands just for a new experience! Carnaubas are the worst! I go from P21S to Natty's to #16.............

Chris, I should have been more careful with my choice of words



I just prefer Zaino, I think your review is excellent and very accurate in it's description of each product.



I hear what you way about boredom/experimenting. I'm playing with four new LSP's right now, one pure amino functional, one carnauba/polymer blend, one pure carnuaba and one designed to give a super wet look. I'll post some reviews as soon as I am comfortable with my own opinions of them.

 

[AlanP]

"Your numbers seem twisted to fit your argument."



Z2 costs $1.61 an ounce. I'll be liberal and add $2 for 4 ZFX drops. That is $3.61 per ounce, which I can do 2-3 coats with. Twice a year times 3 cars (2 x 3.61 x 3 = 21.66).

The Zaino website recommends "using Z-2 four times a year on everyday vehicles and once a month on show cars." (Taken verbatim from Zaino website). Personally, I tend to apply sealant about every two months on our new S2000 and new G35C. Our old Supra beater gets sealant every six months.



The point is that the average Autopian car-nut is going to use Zaino more often than every six months (as you calculate, above).



I can't believe that anyone gets by on 1.1 oz/yr = $4.00/yr as you originally stated.

 

[eShine]

123, Basically ask yourself this question.



"Do I want a wet and deep look?" or "Do I want more reflection with less depth?" Both products offer simular application and durability. Klasse is cheaper and less complicated for a beginner but the Klasse SG can be a bit tough to remove if applied to thick. As far as I can tell the Zaino removed easily even where I purposely applied it to thick. You cant go wrong with either product!

 

[eShine]

Guys, I was just out in the garage and noticed something I was not expecting. At the moment our driveway is unpaved, the garage door is often open when we are home. If winds pick up a bit some fine dust can blow into the garage. I noticed that my entire hood had a light dusting of dust but the rest of the car did not! You can see it especially when the sun hits it. I tried blowing it off but no luck. I used Z6 with a Microfiber and it came right off. This is odd considering the surface is clean and feels slick, not tacky in any way. Has anyone ever experienced this before?

 

[ZaneO]

The point is that the average Autopian car-nut is going to use Zaino more often than every six months (as you calculate, above).



I can't believe that anyone gets by on 1.1 oz/yr = $4.00/yr as you originally stated.

Grow up, bud. Do you follow the manufacturer's recommendation on every product you use, or do you use it like it needs/works?



3 coats will easily last several months on a daily driver. I've been there and done that. Have you?



The "average Autopian" usually doesn't worry about piddly lfew dollars when it comes to protecting their cars. If cost is such an issue for you, don't use Zaino or Klasse. Use Turtle wax or NuFinish.

 

[imported_memnuts]

Both offer excellent extended protection. The best quality of both is their ability to maintain a their appearance long into the protection stage. :xyxthumbs

 

[eShine]

Hey guys, lets not turn this into a flame war. I am hoping to learn as much as possible here about products I am not familuar with. I will contest that I used way less than the back of the bottle said. Likely half what they recommend. I am sure I can do the whole car with 1oz! I am also curious as to how much Klasse I use on a car. With the Zaino you use a 2oz bottle so its easy to see how much you use. With Klasse you are holding a 17oz bottle so its hard to tell. I am going to go put some SG in a Zaino 2oz bottle and see how much it takes to do the hood on my Dakota.

 

[RedondoV6]

Chris:



I'd be very interested to hear if the hood still attracts dust after the SG and Z2 have had time to fully cure and crosslink. Would please you keep us updated on this?



Thanks,

 

[eShine]

Chris:



I'd be very interested to hear if the hood still attracts dust after the SG and Z2 have had time to fully cure and crosslink. Would please you keep us updated on this?



Thanks,

I will keep you informed. The entire car was always done in Klasse and never attracted any dust in the same garage. I will keep the Z2 on the hood for a while and see if it keeps happening. If and when I put the Klasse back on the hood I will likely use some SSR1 to remove all current sealants.

 

[ZaneO]

Chris,



Sorry for cluttering your thread.



Thanks for the review and insight.



I can't really answer your dust question. I live in the dust/dirt capital of the world. Everything I put on my car has a fine layer of dust after a little while.



Zaino seems to attract dust considerably less after a wash.

 

[imported_memnuts]

I had this dust situation when I first used Zaino. Come to find that it was the static was created not by the product but by buffing with magnetize MF's or cotton towels. I have my garage queen , which has been sitting now for 2 months and it is completely dust-free (no house traffic in this basement garage).

My suggestion is to monitor the static created during buffing and change to clean towel as soon as one detects any.

Also I rarely Z6 after last coat for at least 24 hours.

 

[eShine]

No prob ZaneO! My car never gets dirty enough to wash. I usually use Spray and wipe and thats all she needs. It stays in the Garage during the week, all winter and never sees rain/snow. I will likely wash it soon though! I have been experimenting with it for the last month. At the moment an all different sections it has



-Poorboys Professional polish

-EX

-EX-P

-Zaino

-Klasse

-Wolfgang

-#16

-P21S

-Our own brand (May be released next spring )



I am running out of panels!LOL I have been trying to get more familuar with all the products we sell or products we get asked about. Now that winter is around the corner buisness is fading and I have more time to do all these fun tests!

 

[paco]

Actually, I apply it about 3x a year on my mother's vehicle and will be doing g the same (or 2x / yr) on my inlaws vehicle (they never wax period) so those figures are about right for the "average" user!



Autopian ... who cares what the cost is. We just want our cars looking good. I doubt very highly >90% of Autopians really care whether it costs $30/yr or $60/yr. We spend more than that on woolite and distilled water alone!



The moral of the story is that for an average every day user, Zaino probably will cost then less than $10 / year for the sealant / Z6 applications if they do it 2 or 3x year considering it's very good durability.



Now, that isn't exactly expensive.



Sure that's a fortune compared to if they purchased one tub of No. 26 and applied it every 2-months. $20 per tin / 50+ applications and that comes out less than $0.40 per application.



However, we are still talking about very very minor costs in maintenance and preventing rust from forming; which will cost thousands to repair.



The moral of the story, the cost of Zaino shouldn't be a factor in deciding whether to use it. In the end, it's very very cheap, the quantity will last the average person a couple of years at least, easy to apply, excellent durability, amazing reflectivity.



Paco

 

[eShine]

I had this dust situation when I first used Zaino. Come to find that it was the static was created not by the product but by buffing with magnetize MF's or cotton towels. I have my garage queen , which has been sitting now for 2 months and it is completely dust-free (no house traffic in this basement garage).

My suggestion is to monitor the static created during buffing and change to clean towel as soon as one detects any.

Also I rarely Z6 after last coat for at least 24 hours.

I used Z6 between coats as per Zaino's recommendations. Was this a good choice?

 

[imported_memnuts]

I used Z6 between coats as per Zaino's recommendations. Was this a good choice?

YES!!! Z6 between coats really adds to the appearance and application of subsequent coats. :xyxthumbs.



I just don't Z6 after the buffing of the top coat for 24 hrs.



As Zaneo mentioned, a wash normally alleviates the static and resultant dust problem.:wavey

 

[AudiOn19s]

I'll just throw in my .02 even though we're 4 pages into this thread and I havn't posted once yet.



As for the cost of Zaino...as many have mentioned before it shouldn't be a factor between any of the products on the market if you're using it for personal vehicles, for a business use this is a different thing.



When I detailed my car and only my car I used Zaino exclusively...when I started to detail for supplimental income suddenly the price of Zaino was extremely important and caused me to stop using it. I clouded my personal vehicle in there with customer cars. I still use top notch products on customer cars but I've moved to products that i can purchase in bulk AND that are easy to use. currently my favorite products are SSR's, AIO and UPP because they're all available in bulk and extremely easy to use yet yeild awesome results.



That said I have since gone back to exclusitvely using Zaino on my personal vehicle and it couldn't be of more value to me now. You see, now that I'm detailing other cars in my spare time I have less time to actually pay attention to my car so the longevity of the Zaino is something that has come into effect as a quality that I personally evaluate for the product. I still don't use it on customer cars but it's on my car year round because I can wash the car for months and know that it's still protected.



There was a discussion thread on the best sealant for the money from a few weeks back. When you look at the raw numbers the Zaino is a hands down looser compared to most anything esp becuase you can't buy it in bulk...BUT each individual will value the durability of the product differently in their book...for me this didn't used to be an issue but has become a huge factor since I started my detailing business and have less time for my personal car



Andy

 

[RedondoV6]

At the moment an all different sections it has



-Poorboys Professional polish

-EX

-EX-P

-Zaino

-Klasse

-Wolfgang

-#16

-P21S

-Our own brand (May be released next spring )



I am running out of panels!LOL

Someone define "Autopian" for me .... :lol