how long should i leave these on?

[reyo]

i am planning to use do follow this routine:

1. dawn soap

2. riccardo blue w/ onr dilution ratio

3. meg gold class

4. ag srp

5. collinite 845 (as base coat?)

6. mothers fx synwax liquid(maybe?)

7. meg uqd



my question applies to steps 4-6



first, how long should i leave on the srp and the 845 before buffing?

i'm kind of sure for srp (let it haze and dry, usually 10-15min), but not quite sure for 845 because i'm reading mixed things (some people say 10-15min, some say right away bc it's a PITA to buff when dry)



also, would it be a good idea to top off 845 with mothers fx synwax (liquid)?

i still have 1/3 bottle left and don't want it go to waste....it has a very nice shine but doesn't last very long so that's why i got the 845



p.s. how is my routine?



thanks!

 

[SpoolinNoMore]

You probably won't like this answer, but just follow the directions on the bottle. There are also several factors to consider including humidity, temperature, etc.. The manufacturer knows a lot more about the cure time of their products than we could.

 

[reyo]

You probably won't like this answer, but just follow the directions on the bottle. There are also several factors to consider including humidity, temperature, etc.. The manufacturer knows a lot more about the cure time of their products than we could.

the 845 doesn't come with any instruction except to "use it on a clean surface"

 

[Dan]

lookup the swipe test.

 

[schiddy]

I think AG SRP on top of anything is counter productive. It's an all in one so it has either a cleaner or abrasive in it so it's basically taking off whatever it's going on top of. Also don't see the point in putting anything on top of 845, if anything just do a couple coats of 845. There's been threads before asking about topping 845 I think, try a search.

 

[umi000]

I've found that as long as you apply 845 really, really thin, and don't do it in the sun or on a hot panel, you'll have no issues with getting it off. I've applied to the whole car prior to buffing with no problems.

 

[Accumulator]

I think AG SRP on top of anything is counter productive. ..

I don't think reyo was planning on putting the SRP on top of anything. BTW, even though it contains chemical cleaners and abrasives, it can be layered to some extent if you a) let it cure for a day or so between applications, and b) apply the subsequent coats *VERY* gently. Yea, really...who woulda thunk it, huh?

Also don't see the point in putting anything on top of 845, if anything just do a couple coats of 845..

Yeah, I'd skip the topper and just do more 845. Unless doing the 845-476S-845 "Collinite sandwich" that works so well for me.

..[How long to wait before buffing off]



4. ag srp

5. collinite 845 (as base coat?)

SRP- Finger-swipe test, and keep it off your trim

845- Finger-swipe test, except on black plastic trim/etc. on which I prefer to W-O-W-O

 

[reyo]

I don't think reyo was planning on putting the SRP on top of anything. BTW, even though it contains chemical cleaners and abrasives, it can be layered to some extent if you a) let it cure for a day or so between applications, and b) apply the subsequent coats *VERY* gently. Yea, really...who woulda thunk it, huh?







Yeah, I'd skip the topper and just do more 845. Unless doing the 845-476S-845 "Collinite sandwich" that works so well for me.







SRP- Finger-swipe test, and keep it off your trim

845- Finger-swipe test, except on black plastic trim/etc. on which I prefer to W-O-W-O

wuts WOWO? it won't stain the trim?

 

[Accumulator]

wuts WOWO?

W-O-W-O = "Wipe On, Wipe Off". In other words, don't let it flash/dry before you buff it off. Yeah, doing it this way does impact the durability just a bit, but not as much as one might think (still, I don't like to do it unless it's necessary, not even with Souveran or P21s).

it won't stain the trim?

No, Collinite 845 Insulator Wax has *NEVER* stained trim for me, but then I don't let it dry before I buff it either. I've been "waxing" trim for decades and this is one of the products that works OK for that. FWIW, I like to use KAIO first, and then 845 (unless I'm using KSG) on black plastic trim, and it almost always works great on rubber too.



The SRP *will* usually leave white stains on trim though, so don't try it with that product. Use KAIO instead of you want to all-in-one your trim.

 

[reyo]

W-O-W-O = "Wipe On, Wipe Off". In other words, don't let it flash/dry before you buff it off. Yeah, doing it this way does impact the durability just a bit, but not as much as one might think (still, I don't like to do it unless it's necessary, not even with Souveran or P21s).







No, Collinite 845 Insulator Wax has *NEVER* stained trim for me, but then I don't let it dry before I buff it either. I've been "waxing" trim for decades and this is one of the products that works OK for that. FWIW, I like to use KAIO first, and then 845 (unless I'm using KSG) on black plastic trim, and it almost always works great on rubber too.



The SRP *will* usually leave white stains on trim though, so don't try it with that product. Use KAIO instead of you want to all-in-one your trim.

Sounds good! Thanks man. I've been wanting to get some KAIO but need to finish the SRP first...



BTW, do you know if there's actually quality/performance difference between foam applicators?

 

[Accumulator]

Sounds good! Thanks man. I've been wanting to get some KAIO but need to finish the SRP first...

Easy for me to spend *your* money but I think of SRP and KAIO as two very different products for completely different applications. Not an either/or type of thing IMO, not by a long shot.

BTW, do you know if there's actually quality/performance difference between foam applicators?

Eh,there must be, but I've never noticed any significant diffs between the different ones I've used (assuming you mean the little round foam applicatiors). I had some much more porous/"open" ones from TOL back in the day, but there weren't any functional diffs worth worrying about, even with those.



Heh heh, but as soon as I post something like this, somebody will go off to some store and buy some applicators that trash paint or something! To avoid that kind of thing, I'd stick with name brands and if anything seems funny I'd CD-test it. Guess you oughta CD-test anyhow, but it's not like I always do



Oh, and I just did KAIO/845 on some black plastic trim this afternoon. Worked great, per usual

 

[Scottwax]

No need to Dawn wash if you are claying and polishing. I have no idea why everyone seems to think they *need* to wash their car with Dawn before they detail it. Unless you have some horrible greasy film that needs a degreaser to remove, stick with conventional car wash soap. Also, unless globs of clay are sticking to the paint when you clay, you shouldn't have to wash it again. Much better off spending that time in the polishing step(s).



Just use the LSP whose looks you like best and use it as often as needed. Keep detailing simple, you will still have a great looking, well protected car and more time to enjoy it.

 

[reyo]

thanks guy! taking all the advices here.



time to try them out this week...will just wash with gold and then clay + srp + 845.........then + fx synwax just cuz i dun want it going to waste! keeping it simple!

 

[schiddy]

srp + 845 + fx synwax on the same car? Seems like a lot of extra work for no benefit.

 

[Accumulator]

Yeah, we're kinda beating reyo over the head with our "don't bother with the Synth wax!" advice, and it *does* seem to go against his "keeping it simple", but hey...it sounds like he's bound and determined to use it :nixweiss Not like it oughta be a *problem* or anything, but I do wonder how well it'll work out when it comes time to refresh the 845, which sometimes needs doing a lot sooner than one would expect.

 

[reyo]

Ok I will just take out the Synwax as a whole...but I think I will try it on half of the hood just to see a difference



i'm rli just wanting to use it cuz it's there and i dun want it going to waste... ;D

 

[Dan]

Just use the LSP whose looks you like best and use it as often as needed. Keep detailing simple, you will still have a great looking, well protected car and more time to enjoy it.

Exactly. People take this layering thing to the extreme. Two coats for good coverage is all you can really benefit from. I've been guilty of the same in my earlier detailing days, but I've really come to realize that your time is better spent doing something else. Nice paint is great, but other areas on cars need attention too. How's the engine bay? The wheel wells? Door jambs? Trim? Etc....

 

[schiddy]

Yeah, we're kinda beating reyo over the head with our "don't bother with the Synth wax!" advice, and it *does* seem to go against his "keeping it simple", but hey...it sounds like he's bound and determined to use it :nixweiss Not like it oughta be a *problem* or anything, but I do wonder how well it'll work out when it comes time to refresh the 845, which sometimes needs doing a lot sooner than one would expect.

Yeah, you know what I shouldn't have been so negative. I've tried topping SRP with traditional carnuba and wasn't quite happy with the longevity and didn't see a difference SRP vs SRP+supernatural. I shouldn't discourage you from experimenting. Try different combos on different parts of the car.

 

[Scottwax]

Exactly. People take this layering thing to the extreme. Two coats for good coverage is all you can really benefit from. I've been guilty of the same in my earlier detailing days, but I've really come to realize that your time is better spent doing something else. Nice paint is great, but other areas on cars need attention too. How's the engine bay? The wheel wells? Door jambs? Trim? Etc....

I've got Opti-Coat on my car, just hit it with Opti-Seal or OCW every other wash or so and it absolutely glows. Nice to have a silver car that looks wetter than black cars! So easy to maintain too. Hit it hard with the DA right off the bat, now its cake to take care of.

 

[Accumulator]

Exactly. People take this layering thing to the extreme...

Heh heh, that would be me Well, except for the Crown Vic, which I'm doing your way with the ZAIO

Two coats for good coverage is all you can really benefit from.

Unless you're bound and determined to do nothing but wash it for...say....a year or so. Yeah, I know, not the right approach for most people.



These days I'm really only doing that on the dog-hauler; just simpler for me to take it off the road for a while for one, carefully planned, long session and then just wash it.

Nice paint is great, but other areas on cars need attention too. How's the engine bay? The wheel wells? Door jambs? Trim? Etc....

I *do* sure agree with you there :xyxthumbs Sheesh, I spend more time on the areas nobody (except my mechanic) sees than I do on the "regular" parts of the body.



Also about the whole "better things to do" bit...more of my Autopian Heresy I'm sure, but speaking of "other areas", I'll even take it to the point of asking "how's the rest of your life?" I sometimes suspect that people have spotless vehicles while other areas of their lives could use some attention. IMO, life's not a car show.