hide swirl marks (carnuba over sealant)

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Can I effectively hide some marring and swirl marks by putting a carnuba over a sealant such as SG or FMJ. Or does carnuba only hide some swirling if it is applied directly. Anyone use a carnuba over AIO. I was hoping for the protection of a sealant with the hiding characteristics of a carnuba.



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The only way to effectively hide some marring & swirls is to polish them out, in my opinion. As for the AIO........YES!! By all means, use a carnauba over the AIO. It makes for a nice combo!
 
You need a product with fillers to hide swirls, such as Meguiars Show Car Glaze.



You can put that on top of your sealant or wax, but it won't last long. Or you can put it on before the sealant or wax and it'll last a while.



There are limits to it's hiding abilities, of course...
 
Some carnaubas seem to hide swirl marks a bit, but glazes are typically much more effective in this area.



If you have FMJ, give final touch glaze a try. It seems to hide swirls quite well underneath FMJ, but I think it compromises the durability a bit.
 
I can't answer your question about a carnauba topper over a sealant, but the best combination I have found at hiding minor swirls and marring is One Grand Omega Glaze topped with One Grand Blitz Wax. Ofcourse you'll need to polish out the surface first (if done properly with the proper products, should clean up your swirls :p )



The AIO (not a swirl remover) topped with the combo I just mentioned should look real nice!



You can try FTG under your FMJ. It's a nice glaze. A little tough to work with but has good defect hiding abilities.
 
While I agree that surface imperfections should be removed by polishing, in some instances they are â€Ëœdeepâ€â„¢ enough that there removal would compromise the clear coat; in that case the only alternative is to â€Ëœhideâ€â„¢ them with the fillers contained in a glaze



Glaze- or finessing is a step used by professionals and show car owners to obtain maximum light reflection and/or liquidity. Glazes are typically polishes without any cleaning ability. They will "wet" the surface with oils to maximize surface gloss. As they contain fillers they are also used to hide surface defects that are so deep (if you can â€Ëœfeelâ€â„¢ the scratch with a fingernail) that removal with an abrasive polish might compromise the clear coat. Glazing is done after polishing but before applying the final wax or sealant. Glazing pads are softer than polishing pads, typically having no cleaning or cutting ability.

JonM
 
I would definitely use the glaze after the AIO, as if you use the AIO after the glaze, it will simply remove any oils already on the surface.
 
57_300SL said:
When using a Glaze w/ Klasse twins, do you put the Glaze on after the AIO or before it?
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Klasse AIO /SG and then a Glaze



Bonding:

Carnauba wax will bond to a cross-linked polymer (Klasse); conversely if a polymer is applied on top of Carnauba wax (Glaze) the cross-linking / bonding may be compromised.

Although I would not state categorically that a product that is formulated with oils will abort the cross- linking or bonding process of a polymer just that the process may not be as complete, and its strength and durability maybe affected.

JonM
 
I've found vanilla moose to have a remarkable ability to hide swirls. Unfortunately topping it with anything tends to remove the make-up, so my LSP is usually just VM on my black car. Swirls will accumulate on a black daily driver, no matter how carefully you wash.



Wolfgang sealant seems to affect the VM glazing the least out of all toppers i've tried (including klasse sg, s100, souveran, natty's, #16, #26).
 
TOGWT,

I have been using #83,#80, NXTx2 and P21s. I now want to strip this down using #80, then AIO (x2?) and finally Souveran. Should I be swaping the #80 and AIO? There are quite a few swirls that I need to hide.



What do you think?
 
Lowejackson said:
The One Grand Glaze & Blitz is great at hiding swirls. The best sealent for hiding (very) minor swirls is Autoglym
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I don't know about the Autoglym (though as they've started selling the whole line in my area recently, I plan to try it soon!), L.J. is right about the One Grand combo.



Hey, Lowejackson, is it pronounced "AutoGLIME", or "AutoGLEEM"? :think:
 
TOGWT,



Klasse AIO /SG and then a Glaze



Bonding:

Carnauba wax will bond to a cross-linked polymer (Klasse); conversely if a polymer is applied on top of Carnauba wax (Glaze) the cross-linking / bonding may be compromised.

Although I would not state categorically that a product that is formulated with oils will abort the cross- linking or bonding process of a polymer just that the process may not be as complete, and its strength and durability maybe affected.

JonM
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I thought a glaze (for example #80 speed galze) should immediately follow my abrasive cleaner polish (for example #83 DACP).



i was going to do my process like

wash-->Clay-->wash--> #83--#80--> AIO-->KSG-->NXT-->#26



Howevere, since you mentioned that AIO/KSG and then a Glaze,

should i change my process to

wash-->Clay-->wash--> #83-->AIO-->KSG-->#80-->etc.???



Please address.
 
My pre-winter treatment of wash, clay, polish, AIO x2, SGx6 is now just topped with NXT paste wax (3 coats so far about 2 weeks apart). While not perfect, swirls are greatly minimized because of NXT's hiding ability. The paste is relatively durable plus it's easy to apply and the best part is that it looks pretty good for a long time. Only maintenance is Speed Detailer every other day or the weekly wash.



I've tried S100 or Souveran over the K twins and they do have some ability to hide minor swirls or so it seems.



If using NXT paste over the K twins, I'd skip the glaze. Subsequent layers of NXT paste will further add to the swirl hiding. I don't think that the same applies to the liquid version because of its mild cleaners.
 
Beastie,



the reason i wanna use the Glaze is because, i'v read that, that's what makes the car really glossy following a Polish. I will aslo layer KSg, but i wanna get it to as much gloss as i can prior to KSG.
 
mystickid said:
I thought a glaze (for example #80 speed galze) should immediately follow my abrasive cleaner polish (for example #83 DACP)...
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Let's see if I can clear a few things up...



Don't use #80 *after* KSG, the #80 will remove the SG through mechanical/abrasive action.



The real reason to use #80 after #83 is so the milder abrasives in the #80 can remove any micromarring left by the #83. Don't get *too* caught up the names of products. "Speed Glaze" isn't as much a "glaze" in the conventional sense as it is an abrasive polish. It does, however, leave some "glaze effects"/oils/light polymers behind.



Note that any "glaze qualities", such as swirl-filling, will be pretty much negated by the subsequent use of AIO, which will clean off the fillers. The traditional use of glaze (after polish, before wax) doesn't really apply when using the Klasse twins.



If you want to try hiding swirls that are still visible after using KSG, I'd use a "heavy" wax such as #16, Collinite, or Blitz.
 
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