hide swirl marks (carnuba over sealant)

percynjpn said:
I don't know about the Autoglym (though as they've started selling the whole line in my area recently, I plan to try it soon!), L.J. is right about the One Grand combo.



Hey, Lowejackson, is it pronounced "AutoGLIME", or "AutoGLEEM"? :think:
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As Lowejackson isn't around, I'll help out!

It's AutoGLIM



:up
 
yeh i have now found that I would have to polish the car every time i wash to keep the paint nice.



So for now, VM or #7 glaze are my tools.



I strangely find three layers of ex-p and then p21s hide them.



I find VM and then nattys or p21s seems to be ok. Maybe #16 is a slightly harder wax? Im not sure?



When i went to shows i ALWAYS used



Wash

clay

#80 quick glaze

#7 glaze

#16



And that seemed to work very well, never mind looking astonishingly wet !
 
mystickid said:
Accumulator,

So is my process is fine as



wash-->Clay-->wash--> #83--#80--> AIO-->KSG-->NXT-->#26 ?
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I myself would choose between the AIO/SG approach and the NXT/#26 approach, but not do both on the same car.



The clay will clean the paint. The 383 will remove a lot of marring. The #80 will remove micromarring from the #83 and leave some oils behind.



For what I *think* you're dealing with (and going for), I'd probably not use the Klasse twins, but rather the NXT and #26. The Klasse twins would a) strip the "fillers" that the #80 left, making things look swirled again and b) sorta highlight such imperfections.



JJ_ For what NiFreaky wants, I think I'd just top the #80 with Souveran, leaving out the AIO. Think of how well your #80/#7/#16 worked out ;) Last time I used an AIO-type product after #80 it made all the light marring "come back" because it cleaned off all those Meg's "Trade Secret Oils".



NiFreaky- I wouldn't use the AIO on a car where I was trying to hide marring. I like AIO and use a lot of it, but not for that application. I you want to try Souveran (sometimes it looks *very* different from P21S, sometimes it doesn't) I'd just put it over a glaze, and/or the #80, and/or the NXT. Switching to AIO just doesn't seem in keeping with what you're doing.
 
Accumulator,



That's exactly what I did and for the same reasons. The #80 on it's own prepped the surface just great. The souveran on top looks fantastic. I did another NXT wash yesterday and put a second coat on top and it improved the finish even more.



On my second car that already had P21s I added 2 coats of Souveran 48 hrs apart. Man, that looks soooooo wet on black.



I know this post is worthless without photos but I didn't get a chance to take any. I will try to get some for the weekend.
 
NiFreaky- glad to hear it worked out so well. Heh heh, most of the time people's pics won't capture the difference between Souveran and P21S anyhow, but I know just what you mean.
 
JJ_ Heh heh, OK, *now* I'm with you. I'd wondered why you'd change opinions from your car to his :D



AutoNova- I didn't mention #9 because, well, I just don't like it all that much. When I want a mild abrasive I just turn to stuff from 1Z or 3M. Simply personal preference, and I try to recommend stuff that I like using and am, therefore, familiar with.
 
#9 is not my favorite polish either, but I suppose one benefit of many products in the Meguire's line (especially this one), is that it leaves behind a lot of fillers. You may be fooled into thinking you have removed more swirls than you actually have. Maybe it's not as good as #7 in hiding swirls, but it could save you a step.



Prefer the Menzerna stuff overall.
 
Accumulator,



I have some last questions & I think things will be cleared up for me.



I was wondering How do i know when i need to use AIO/KSG????



Throughout my learning experience I've always thought that AIO/KSG is a *must* in any detail job since its such a great product around here. However, i now learned ( from you :)) that AIO/ KSG will just remove my # 80 oils/fillers when trying to remove heavy marring.



So should I do my first initial detail, skipping the Klasse twins and just using the 3M RC 05933/ #80 and follow up with my LSps since I wanna remove all the marring in this first detal.



And in subsequent detail where my paint is in good condition, use the AIO/KSg method rather than the polishes?



lastly can I use a more traditional glaze such as show car glaze following the #80 or is that senseless?



I'm sorry accumulator for so many questions and bugging you quite often. Youv'e been a teacher to me & I thank you for that.
 
percynjpn said:
I don't know about the Autoglym (though as they've started selling the whole line in my area recently, I plan to try it soon!), L.J. is right about the One Grand combo.



Hey, Lowejackson, is it pronounced "AutoGLIME", or "AutoGLEEM"? :think:
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My apologies for not responding to your question but as GunCulture quite rightly says it is Auto glim.



Mystickid, I would say once you have the prep (polishing) done try several combinations to see which suits you
 
mystickid- Yeah, you can add a Meg's glaze over the #80 for a little more "glaze effect", but it's a matter of diminishing returns.



On the Klasse twins, my opinion might be quite different from that of other Autopians :o I only use the Klasse twins on vehicles that don't have any noticeable marring. Note that the degree of marring that is "noticeable" will vary with stuff like the color, metallic/not, and how picky *you* are. I use the K twins on our silver daily driver minivan for the durability (but I've been keeping it marring free) and I use UPP on my S8 (which I keep *truly* marring free)- both of which I'm *very* careful with when I wash (and nobody ever touches their paint). But I don't use these types of products on our other vehicles because they're imperfect and sealants like that would highlight the imperfections too much for me.



If you really *remove* the marring (don't just hide the last of it with the #80), then I'd put on many layers of KSG and try not to mar it again. Heh heh, easier said than done, both the removal and the not doing it again ;)
 
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