HD-Cleanse

Another quickie, I plan on purchasing the PB waterless wash. Is that recommended to use the PBWW on top of the the ZymolEG when the car gets dirty or should I just wash it ??

And, Mr.Nick Zymol, what polishes did they recommend that you use under the Zymol HD and EG?

Note: I have never used PBWW
 
TeutonicCarFan said:
Agreed, I would have messed it up to. NickZymol....how do you go about getting trained by Zymol/how much does it cost i would be very interestred. Sorry I am asking so many questions about Zymol and subsequently Menzerna but I have never used them and I am planning on starting to do so on my 2001 BLACK Jetta glx vr6. I have detailed for 3.5+ years at the local Land Rover store, and I LOVE it because from a kid the Range Rover was my favorite vehicle. At work we use Mirror Glaze lineup and 3m, and some wellworth (they have a great tire shine). I wanted to work some of these products into the supply there, because I am the one who does the ordering, but because we are a part of an auto-conglomerate it was extremely difficult to do through billing. Plus, I was making the trucks look great with what we had so they didn't see the need :/. I would do some detailing on the side because you can make A LOT more money but I don't have the time with my classes (biomedical sciences major @ UB), and working at a store means I don't need to get insurance, etc. On my car I have consistentely kept up with the paint, clay baring when necessary and polishing and then waxing. I would use the Mirror Glaze (meguiars) to polish and NXT generation to wax. I just want to try something new, and I got my hands on a container or Creme and it was AWESOME, thus I am buying Concours and HD cleanse for my personal car, along with IP, and FPII. This is what I paln on doing and if anyone sees and errors feel free to yell at me!

(I would clay bar but it doesn't need it)

IP via orange pad and rotary

FPII via white pad and rotary

(maybe another application of FPII at a lower speed with the black pad? after some cure time).

HD-Cleanse - by hand

Concour - by hand (literally).



Questions:

What, if anything, should I use on the paint between IP and FPII ? (QD?)

Same goes for between HD and Concours?

Sam goes for after Concours?



I will put another layer of wax on a week after, should I wash and use HD, then concours or just the concours??



Every month for the next few months I will then put on a layer of concours (note I park indoors), should I HD and the put on the concours or just apply the EG?



Thanks, sorry if I am an idiot I am just stepping outside of what I am familiar with!!



P.S. you guys are great and extremely knowledgeable. I am going to bring my camera to work to get some before/after of the next supercharged range i do:)

P.P.S. Sorry for typos, I am in a hurry because the Sabres game is on soon (GO SABRES)
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You should only have to HD about once every six months as we understand it if you stay on top of your game by using your EG regularly. Any QD will be fine between the two polish steps to remove any residue left behind by the IP. In fact, we recommend it.



I think you would be fine using whatever compounds/polishes/glazes you want before using HD Cleanse but I'd stick strictly to Zymol products thereafter. Again, they are formulated to work in conjunction with one another and you can't go wrong if you follow their process.



You shouldn't need anything between HD and Concours.



After Concours is laid and cured, Zymol Clear for the wash and Zymol's Field Glaze for in between Concours applications to give that little "extra" week in and week out. I've seen mixed reviews for Zymol's QD. I see no issues with it but some folks avoid it. You'll probably be fine with just the Field Glaze.



As ZYMOL said, HD will remove everything left over from the polishing process without prejudice. I would use a QD after polishing to make HD go on a bit easier because I'd rather HD Cleanse over a QD than over a polish/glaze residue. Just stick with Zymol products after the HD and you'll be fine.



-J
 
I personally would not put any sealant under a Zymol, as I've found that it could inhibit the color, clarity and reflective depth that an EGZymol is capable of producing. That's not to say that you won't have shine quality, but Zymol's abilities span much farther than its slickness and sheen.
 
calgarydetail said:
Thats some really good info. I just got my jar of concours so I will have to do a few "exeperments". I will have to make another order for more clense here soon to do it :woot: (used all mine up on my carbon)



on a side note... do you know if zymol will be brining the peable beach sampler bacK?.. I want to try some of the higher end Estate glazes such as vintage but I dont 2 grand to try a wax hee hee.. so we all want it.. and you know you want to make it :dance
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We called Zymol to ask the very same thing as that was one helluva package for the price. They said they were all sold out and everyone I called offering the PB sampler online said the same thing. GONE!



Zymol said they were NOT going to make any more of that particular pkg. but would be working on other packages to release in the future. My partner saw some single 4oz. jars of those EG's (Destiny, Atlantique, and Vintage) on ebay for twice the cost of the entire PB pkg., leading us to believe that they were bought up and pieced out. Zymol probably got wind of that and discontinued it as these folks are probably not Zymol Authorised Resellers. They are VERY particular who they choose as Resellers and in order to maintain their exclusivity, can't afford to have every Tom, **** or Harry pushing their product with no factory backing.



I too was disappointed.

If you want to pay the coin, check ebay and take your chances. The cost was about 1/2 of what a full jar would cost respectively which is, I guess a fair deal if you just want the particular EG that's for sale on ebay. However, knowing that more kits are coming, we are waiting to see what they have to offer and are not going to support the sellers on ebay strictly out of principle. They bought them all up and are looking to double, triple, or even quadruple their money by piecing them out. I can't fault them for it but they just wont be getting our money by doing so.



-J
 
That is why I am very picky using my pebble beach sampler. More so with Vintage and Atlantique, as I have more of Destiny. I was fortunate to get the kit from Authopians and other Destiny waxes from a closeout.





Good tip by Wetwerks on using the QD. Again, avoiding the cost issue ect,. you will notice how great Zymol estates are in their reflective qualities. Truely unique and long lasting.
 
Just hand an interesting thought with regards to HD cleanse. Is it something you think would go good under other carnaubas, like CG505 or PS? Just curious on your thoughts
 
TeutonicCarFan said:
Just hand an interesting thought with regards to HD cleanse. Is it something you think would go good under other carnaubas, like CG505 or PS? Just curious on your thoughts
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Probably wouldn't hurt but I haven't seen any other Carnaubas that "require" anything like it. Seeing as how it's not very user-friendly, I wouldn't use it with others' unless I was bored with some time on my hands. I LOVE my Concours but that stuff alone makes me question my thinking everytime I use it. :hairpull



I'm not sure how others are formulated but I'd definitely use it w/Zymol.
 
Wetwerks said:
Probably wouldn't hurt but I haven't seen any other Carnaubas that "require" anything like it. Seeing as how it's not very user-friendly, I wouldn't use it with others' unless I was bored with some time on my hands. I LOVE my Concours but that stuff alone makes me question my thinking everytime I use it. :hairpull



I'm not sure how others are formulated but I'd definitely use it w/Zymol.
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The only other wax that I have found that requies somthing similar is victoria wax. It also needs a lite cleanse. I dont think cleanseing you paint will hurt anything.
 
Zymol said:
Zymol did have 2 other specially formulated HD-Cleanses for us professional detailers. It is Called HD-Cleanse with 10% Quartz Crystals. This particular HD-Cleanse was designed to be used with rotary machines to remove spider webbing and marring with fantastic results. The Quartz Crystals are ultra flat and gives an extremely uniform cutting action, and then they break down fairly quickly. Almost idiot proof.
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Anyone know where I can get my hands on some of the HD-Cleanse with the quartz crystals?
 
Mikeyc said:
Anyone know where I can get my hands on some of the HD-Cleanse with the quartz crystals?
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I would be interested too. Maybe if shipping is expensive we can get a group buy thing.
 
The Quartz crystals you describe (Chalcedonay), can be found in Zymol Lehm Klay, cleaner wax, and HD cleanse Pro, the professional version of HD cleanse,available in larger sizes(32oz) for Professional Detailers.
 
Mikeyc said:
Anyone know where I can get my hands on some of the HD-Cleanse with the quartz crystals?
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To my knowledge, the only way you're going to be able to get your hands on that stuff is to become a Zymol Authourised Detailer which comes with a License Fee of "$7200 annually for 1 fixed location and/or 1 mobile unit". You must them pay and additional $2000 for "One-time Education for 2 people minimum".



The yearly fee for an additonal Mobile unit and/or location is an additional $2400.



So you are looking at a minimum initial investment of $9200 to become a Zymol Authorised Detailer for ONE facility whether it be fixed OR mobile. This is all BEFORE you buy your supplies. That's just for Zymol licensing and Zymol education. :shocked



This information is directly from the information packet we requested from Zymol.



Steep price to pay to get your hands on a little HD Clease Pro and I'm sure that even if you knew someone that was already Authourised, they wouldn't supply you with these exclusive products due to having the rug pulled out from under them should Zymol HQ ever find out.



As I stated in a previous post on this thread, Zymol is VERY particular who they have represent them.



Ridiulous isn't it?



-J
 
Wetwerks said:
To my knowledge, the only way you're going to be able to get your hands on that stuff is to become a Zymol Authourised Detailer which comes with a License Fee of "$7200 annually for 1 fixed location and/or 1 mobile unit". You must them pay and additional $2000 for "One-time Education for 2 people minimum".



The yearly fee for an additonal Mobile unit and/or location is an additional $2400.



So you are looking at a minimum initial investment of $9200 to become a Zymol Authorised Detailer for ONE facility whether it be fixed OR mobile. This is all BEFORE you buy your supplies. That's just for Zymol licensing and Zymol education. :shocked



This information is directly from the information packet we requested from Zymol.



Steep price to pay to get your hands on a little HD Clease Pro and I'm sure that even if you knew someone that was already Authourised, they wouldn't supply you with these exclusive products due to having the rug pulled out from under them should Zymol HQ ever find out.



As I stated in a previous post on this thread, Zymol is VERY particular who they have represent them.



Ridiulous isn't it?



-J
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Thank you for the info. That training sounds very intresting I think i might have to start saving. I assume you are an uthorised detailer.. i was wondernig do you have a website where we can check out your work?
 
calgarydetail said:
Thank you for the info. That training sounds very intresting I think i might have to start saving. I assume you are an uthorised detailer.. i was wondernig do you have a website where we can check out your work?
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I only WISH we were Zymol Authorised Detailers. Although we are very knowlegeble (someone always knows more), we are still in the beginning stages of getting our

Full-Time gig set up. We both currently have families and 9to5's so it's slow going. We don't have our website set up yet either, but that too, is in the "WERKS". :chuckle:

That happens to be a very important criteria for Zymol representation.



We'd like to become Authorised by Zymol one day but we have much greater priorties to get nailed down first.



We just continue to contact distributers and request information from everyone. We feel that you can never have too much information. (I just wish I could get it all electronically. It would be so much easier to keep organized)
 
Interesting . . . but just think of how much more $$$ you could charge if you were a Zymol authorized detailer. I'm sure it would attract a lot of high end customers to your business as well.
 
Wetwerks said:
I only WISH we were Zymol Authorised Detailers. Although we are very knowlegeble (someone always knows more), we are still in the beginning stages of getting our

Full-Time gig set up. We both currently have families and 9to5's so it's slow going. We don't have our website set up yet either, but that too, is in the "WERKS". :chuckle:

That happens to be a very important criteria for Zymol representation.



We'd like to become Authorised by Zymol one day but we have much greater priorties to get nailed down first.



We just continue to contact distributers and request information from everyone. We feel that you can never have too much information. (I just wish I could get it all electronically. It would be so much easier to keep organized)
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Hee hee, sonds farmiliar. I have taked to the candian regial sale person and he has told me that to become a candian retailer you need to spend 1500 (dont quote me on this) a year on products. I dont thnk you would be a world althorzied deal but I think you could tell people you were canadian authorized.. You probley in the states so perhaps finding a regonal supplier you migh have the same options
 
Wise 85 said:
The Quartz crystals you describe (Chalcedonay), can be found in Zymol Lehm Klay, cleaner wax, and HD cleanse Pro, the professional version of HD cleanse,available in larger sizes(32oz) for Professional Detailers.
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Just out of curiosity; Is this HD Cleanse Pro the brown colored cleaner in a clear bottle that has a scent that resembles chocolate milk??



I had a discussion about this months back and this just reminded me of it.
 
calgarydetail said:
Hee hee, sonds farmiliar. I have taked to the candian regial sale person and he has told me that to become a candian retailer you need to spend 1500 (dont quote me on this) a year on products. I dont thnk you would be a world althorzied deal but I think you could tell people you were canadian authorized.. You probley in the states so perhaps finding a regonal supplier you migh have the same options
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"Schedule B" of the info packet we received reads as follows:



Reseller shall have the opportunity to qualify for Special Marketing programs and incentives by attainment of the following goals during the periods indicated below;



Agreement Quarter 1: $1500



Agreement Quarter 2: $1500



Agreement Quarter 3: $1500



Agreement Quarter 4: $2000





I'm not sure if the same applies for Authorised Detailers as well or if it's just for Resellers.



Being a Reseller costs much less but is still tough to become as I understand it.



Call up HQ and reqest the same info. You'll be appalled by the retail mark-up. :cry:
 
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