Gulp....help please?

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SwirlBoy

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Alright guys, first off, thanks for all the reading material. I've learned a great deal and enjoy following along and hope to one day be as well skilled as many of you currently are.



Now to hone my skills a little more. I have spent a great deal of time trying to take the swirls out of my black camaro. I have sucessfully taken them out with the poorboys line but I messed up with the cutting by not letting the 2.5 break down good enough. I have learned from my mistakes and have moved on past that.



I now have another pressing issue with my paint. I have since, ordered Klass twins to use after polishing as a cleaner and base for my PB's EX and then eventually Souvarian. I have done all of these steps and I must say, the car, while sitting in the garage looks great..LOL...but when someone turns the light on, it's a different story. My entire paint job has this haze that was not there previously to me getting all of the scratches out. I have the WHOLE SSR product line and have stepped down from 2.5 to 2.0 to 1.0 and then applied EX then AIO and then the sealer followed by Souvarian...to no avail. Just to let you guys know, this is also after washing, claybaring, and then washing again before any of this started.



I'm sure someone is going to tell me to use the 1.0 with my polishing pad and hit the areas again. That would be awesome if it were that easy. I have tried 1.0 with the polishing as well as cutting pad (out of desperation) to no avail. I have also stepped back up to the 2.0 and polishing pad and that has not done anything either. I don't understand. Any advise on what I'm doing wrong? After loading the pad with a little product, I spray one small fine mist of water over 4 evenly spaced small amounts of product and work in until it almost dissapears moving about an inch a second. After which, I remove any excess with a clean MF buffing towel from PB's. I thought I had my bases covered but of couse, that's never the case.



Any help is greatly appreciated and encouraged.



Thank you again,



A humbled newbie.
 
SwirlBoy said:


I'm sure someone is going to tell me to use the 1.0 with my polishing pad and hit the areas again. That would be awesome if it were that easy.
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It sounds to me like you have some hazing left from SSR2.5 or possibly from your SSR1/cutting pad.



I would try SSR1 again on a polishing pad. Be sure to work it long enough.
 
I actually just got back from doing that just now. It doesn't really help the haze. I used that process to take out the small marring from the misuse of the 2.5 (2.0 fist then 1.0 and it took care of the job but still left the haze. :(
 
Nope...actually my dog just took out the halogen when she accidentally got out. She just broke both bulbs...not to mention no digital camera. LoL, this isn' turning out to be the best night. :p :sosad
 
Did you use a cutting pad with the 2.5?



Like a yellow lc one?



You need to islolate off an area, like your trunk, perhaps with painters tape. Then starting with i would say ssr 2.0 and a polishing pad, and progress until you get where you need to be.
 
Yes, I started with 2.5 with a cutting pad and worked my way down from there (2.0 with polishing and 1.0 with polishing, then ex with buffing pad, then had bad results so I tried AIO with polishing and then sealer by hand, then Souvarian by hand.



The swirls are gone, as is the marring it left from improper use, but the haze remains. I guess I'll try again...and again.



Off I go again, off to save my paint, Hey!:help:
 
I have to say... this is the first time of heard of something like this.



Are you sure the problem is the paint? I mean, have you taken the car outside to look at it (sunlight always helps). Maybe your car is so amazingly reflective the paint on the wall is causing it to look hazey.



I agree with the above. Tape of a 2x2 area and grab the SSR 2.5 with a green polishing pad. Let the product break down completely moving slooooowly across the area. Stop applying the AIO, SG and SOveran. You're wasting great products. Once the "haze" is gone you can use them, but ideally, your paint should look awesome after 2.5. Follow up with SSR 1.0 on a different green polishing pad.



JJ
 
See, that's what kills me. I just taped a 2' x 2' section off on a quarter panel. Then I got a fresh clean pad out of the zip lock, primed it with 1.0, applied the appropriate amount of 1.0, and then went to work moving about an inch a second until the product was all but gone. I have pretty much mastered the technique as I've taken out MANY scratches from this car as well as removed the hazing. After that, I did it two more times the same way and it seems to me that the only thing I did was to successfully waste more product. Anyway, I've called it quits for tonight as I know frustration only makes the hole deeper when working with such a tedious process such as this. I have cleaned all of my pads (just got done with a friend's car earlier today that was red with oxidation on the bumpers...which turned out awesome!)



I'll try again tomorrow after I get home from work. Keep the suggestions coming. I'm wide open to using other products as well so those recommendations are welcome as much as techniques. :xyxthumbs



I thought the 2.5 was to remove scratches but will also haze the paint. I thought 2.0/polishing pad and 1.0/polishing pad was to cut the marring if any was present as well as 1.0 to fight haze? :nixweiss



Thanks again guys.
 
I actuallly just finished my first pc job and had a similar problem with SSR 1 leaving hazing. I was finally able to get rid of the hazing using a polishing pad and Meguiars #80. I can't explain it, but for some reason the #80 was able to get rid of the hazing and leave a beautiful finish. Try it and see what happens. Good luck!
 
Was it easy with the #80? How many times did you have to do the car?



Can I pick that up at Napa to make things quicker? I've got to get my car ready for a big car show coming up next (mid) week.
 
I did one complete nice and slow pass with #80 and the haze was gone. Move slowly (about 1" per second) and let the pc do it's job. I think you should have some success. I don't know about Napa but I think Pep Boys carries several of Meguiars polishes. Good luck!
 
I guess I'll grab some on the way home from work today and start cooking as soon as I get home. I just want this to be done!







Thankfully, the scratches and marring has been completly removed previously. The hard part is over and will not have to be repeated...hopefully.



I can say one thing though. I will NEVER own a black car again. My next car will be Charcoal Grey Metallic...I love that color. All the flake and pop in a paint job and yet, still easy to keep up. :woot:
 
SwirlBoy:



I've never used the products You mentioned but will give some words of encouragement because your probelm is quite frequent enough regardless of the products.



That is you did some "cutting" to remove defects which can sometimes leave a "haze" depending on the product/pad used.



Now you need to "polish" out the panels to remove the haze. Usually with a less aggressive polish/pad combination.



I went from using a Rotary to a PC but find myself more and more going back to the former as it's quicker. It will take some time both for you to master your techique and the PC in general to do what it does.



Hang in there and you'll get the hang of it. Besides you haven't done any permenate damage from the sounds of it. As my dad used to say "things could be a lot worse"



Good Luck
 
Thanks for the suggestions MorBid. By no means would I say that I have mastered the PC but I have had a great deal of practice which would include doing about 8 paying full details with 4 out of 8 needing swirl removal. These jobs, however, were done AFTER I learned my lesson by messing up MY BLACK paint by using a products incorrectly when I first recieved them and started with the learning process. It was a stupid move. I know, hind site is always 20/20 but it is all but fixed right now and I'm on the last few steps to a flawless exterior.



I have faith in the PC as well as all of the products at my finger tips. I don't doubt my skills nor am I pig headed. I'm just ready to get this done so I can make it to the show to show off my hard work! :xyxthumbs





Thanks for the help...



Pep Boys has the #80. I just got off the phone with em.
 
Try not spraying the panels with water first, I recall Steve (from poorboys) saying that that dilutes the lubricants (for lack of a better word) in the SSR lineup and makes them a tad more abrasive. The #80 should be a good trick, as not only is it a very fine abrasive, it leaves a layer of oils behind.



IMHO, try going straight from the #80 to Souveran, it'll leave a more "old school" glow, and it tends to hide imperfections better. I personally own a black car, and I've dropped off the sealant bandwagon lately, as black cars + optically pure sealants (Klasse, Zaino in particular) = :grrr (unless you have the patience of Job, you'll never get all the marring out).
 
:angry Pep Boys doesn't have any now. I just stopped in and they said that they are out. I've called around and no one in this city has #80. Will #9 work? I went ahead and got that as a last resort.
 
I tried the #9 with a polishing pad on speed 5.5 moving at 1 inch per second in the shade on a 2x2 area and I worked it in until it was almost non visable. I buffed it off...to no avail.



I guess I'll be ordering some #80 with overnight shipping. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know about the #9. I just know that I had the same problem as you and then tried the #80 and had success. I hope it does the same for you. Again, good luck. I hope that solves your problem.
 
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