Dan
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DJ Mayo said:
Thanks DJ. I'll give it a go at a lower speed and more pressure and see what sort of results I get.
Griot's Garage 6" Polisher: Current state of affairs
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Thanks DJ. I'll give it a go at a lower speed and more pressure and see what sort of results I get.
imported_DJ Mayo
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Sounds good, let me know.
Thomas Dekany
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Interesting how we had threads about keeping the GG pc at 4, the Meg's at speed 5 and the PCXP at 6 soon after the first MF pads came out to prevent damages with the pads. Either people forget or don't do research. 
imported_RZJZA80
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Thomas Dekany said:Interesting how we had threads about keeping the GG pc at 4, the Meg's at speed 5 and the PCXP at 6 soon after the first MF pads came out to prevent damages with the pads. Either people forget or don't do research.
I've read where users go with speeds > 5 on GG6 and MF pads, so apparently it's not a universal rule. Megs I never tried, and my PC I haven't used in a few years.
I believe the Lifetime Warranty offered with the GG DA is important for those of us who don't detail as a profession. Consider that a hobbyist might use the unit 5 or 6 times per year and that if the machine should fail after a few years it can simply be returned for repair or replacement. Without the lifetime warranty we would have a significant repair charge or worse have to purchase a new polisher.
Regarding the heat build up--I applied a coat of HD Speed to my Passat's hard paint--6 passes at speed 6 with firm pressure and 2 passes with light pressure using a B&S Orange pad to remove light to moderate wash induced marring. I used two sets of two pads--after each couple of sections I'd clean the pad on the fly with a denture brush then replace it with another--switching back and forth between the two for half the car and the same with the second set of two for the other half. NO heat build up problems what so ever. (Perhaps I should have used MF pads, UNO or Polish but this was my first complete polish--so with experience I may change my technique.)
Regarding the heat build up--I applied a coat of HD Speed to my Passat's hard paint--6 passes at speed 6 with firm pressure and 2 passes with light pressure using a B&S Orange pad to remove light to moderate wash induced marring. I used two sets of two pads--after each couple of sections I'd clean the pad on the fly with a denture brush then replace it with another--switching back and forth between the two for half the car and the same with the second set of two for the other half. NO heat build up problems what so ever. (Perhaps I should have used MF pads, UNO or Polish but this was my first complete polish--so with experience I may change my technique.)
Thomas Dekany
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It is not a "RULE" but some of us figured out pretty quickly that higher speeds meant melted pads. Again one needs to use common sense. If D300 recommends to use that speed ( I recall) with the MF pads we are on our own if the pads get damaged. MF or foam. As pwaug also suggested, use 1 pad for 1 panel and switch to another if you need to use higher speeds. With speed 5 ( I use it often on some paint) the pads will last longer, but not like when you use 4.5
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Barry Theal
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DJ Mayo said:
How does one measure exact pounds of pressure?
imported_DJ Mayo
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a digital scale that is used for measuring weight for when shipping packages. You can take whatever machine you are using are measure the weight and get a feel for how much pressure is being added, etc.
imported_ww2717
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by attaching a transducer to the da which in turn will measure mechanical pressure which is then converted into an electrical signal that can be metered by a pc and displayed by a graphing program on the pc.
imported_RZJZA80
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Thomas Dekany said:
So what does common sense have to do with it? Some people get great results with > 5 speed, and others just don't. My only statement was that it's not a universal rule that 4-4.5 is the only way to use MF pads.
mikenap
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RZJZA80 said:
Actually, 4800 OPM is the universal "recommendation" from Meguiars when using their pads and compounds. It says it on the bottle of D300. Anything outside of that, and you're flying solo.
imported_RZJZA80
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mikenap said:
Yes, I realize and already know what is "recommended", but I said it's apparently not a "universal rule", in other words, if you don't follow the recommendations, you may still be just fine, even though you're on your own. "Universal rule" being the key point in my statement, nothing about what's recommended and what's not.
mikenap
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RZJZA80 said:
I understand, and am clarifying not just for you but for anyone else reading this thread. Thanks. Relax, I'm not attacking you!
imported_RZJZA80
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mikenap said:
Hey my bad, I've gotten a little defensive since certain people try to discredit whatever I say... haha! It's all good though, we're here to learn and help others when possible.
mikenap
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RZJZA80 said:
I agree. I didn't know if you were aware of that, since it doesn't say on the pads I believe, only on the compound. I haven't really heard much mention of Meg's recommended speed for their pads since they were first introduced, so I'm sure there might be others who were never aware of it too. Looking back, it might have sounded confrontational, but I promise it wasn't meant like that. :thumb:
imported_DJ Mayo
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To maximum cut and finish its pressure > speed. Also, allows maximum durability of the pads, especially the MF.
LeMarque
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Thomas Dekany said:Interesting how we had threads about keeping the GG pc at 4, the Meg's at speed 5 and the PCXP at 6 soon after the first MF pads came out to prevent damages with the pads. Either people forget or don't do research.
I resemble that remark!
Fact is tho, the first pad came apart immediately and the second pad when I was priming it by hand! But thanks for the wake up call.
Thomas Dekany
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If you mean me, you have it all wrong. I simply provide another experience if I have one. Do you remember years ago you were fed up with Stoners Invisible Glass? Because it didn't remove water spots? You were blaming the product. Just saying. No hard feelings, but I do see a pattern.
Do you think the above statement was not disrespectful? I detail for a living, you detail on the side, I have been detailing at least 2x as long as you and I believe I have a few more cars under my belt since I do it daily and you don't, yet you say you should just stop because you can't make it work?
I think you are trying to discredit me. But that is ok, since I don't just say I can do something, I show pictures.
But it is all good, we are all here to improve our skills. :rockon1:
Do you think the above statement was not disrespectful? I detail for a living, you detail on the side, I have been detailing at least 2x as long as you and I believe I have a few more cars under my belt since I do it daily and you don't, yet you say you should just stop because you can't make it work?
I think you are trying to discredit me. But that is ok, since I don't just say I can do something, I show pictures.
But it is all good, we are all here to improve our skills. :rockon1:
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Thomas Dekany
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LOL! The first batch Meg's made were defective and you are right, some of those pads just came apart right away. 
LeMarque said:I resemble that remark!
Fact is tho, the first pad came apart immediately and the second pad when I was priming it by hand! But thanks for the wake up call.
imported_RZJZA80
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Thomas Dekany said:
You provide your experiences, and that's great, but it seems when I or others do, and they're not your same experiences, you discount them or their skills. Maybe it's just me taking it that way, but I don't think that's the case.
It's not meant to be disrespectful at all, it really is amazing what you can do. I thought that was more a props statement than anything else, but the latter part was my sarcasm at play (given the context of which I said it).
About the Stoner's, I'm not the only one who has been disappointed in its performance, and it's not exactly rocket science to wipe down glass, but I'll leave it at that.
On the contrary, I'm not attempting to discredit you. I don't gain anything by doing that, nor could I even if I tried. I, as you do, show pictures of my results, not just talk about them, and with HD products I think I've given the most reviews on it besides maybe yourself and a couple others. But yeah, you're right, we all have much to still learn and no one will ever know it all as everything continues to evolve.