Griot's Garage 6" Polisher: Current state of affairs

I think his questions are fine. If ,they serve as good content for discussion in case someone else is experiencing these issues or have wondered why this happens too.
 
Dan said:
Your car can go above sixty, and if you try to go around a icy curve at 60mph, what happens? Does that need to be resolved too? Are you having a rough time with everything? It seems like all your recent posts are complaining about something. Might just be a run of bad luck....
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Are you always so cynical? I'm trying to help the community by providing information they may or may not know, and of my experiences, and hopefully get some feedback and answers if others have had the same issues. Isn't that what this forum is about? So how is it over there in your perfect world? Please do share your secrets.
 
David Fermani said:
I think his questions are fine. If ,they serve as good content for discussion in case someone else is experiencing these issues or have wondered why this happens too.
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Thanks David, that's exactly what my intent was.
 
RZJZA80 said:
So how is it over there in your perfect world? Please do share your secrets.
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Duuuuude, its fricken awesome over here....lovin it! I've mastered working within the confines of my tools and products, I've accepted their shortcomings but have seen past those into their strengths!
 
Dan said:
Duuuuude, its fricken awesome over here....lovin it! I've mastered working within the confines of my tools and products, I've accepted their shortcomings but have seen past those into their strengths!
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Well I'm very happy for you. Now if you could please refrain from posting in threads where you have nothing to add or help in any way, you would be even more awesome.
 
RZJZA80 said:
Well I'm very happy for you. Now if you could please refrain from posting in threads where you have nothing to add or help in any way, you would be even more awesome.
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But you see, I won't. Its fools like you that will piss and moan about the tool being the problem. You refuse to acknowledge you might be the problem. I'm here to point that out. That's the value I add. People like you will whine left and right about a product until a vendor changes it, to what I'll politely call "Bubba Proof."



I don't want a "Bubba Proof" DA. I like that I can melt pads if I use a coarse enough pad with enough pressure. Its just how I like my car, it can do nearly 200mph, does that mean I should drive it that fast everywhere?
 
Looking at that W7207 pad, it appears excessive pressure with an incorrect backing plate may have something to do with the failure as well. The foam is chewed up right at the edge of where the BP would have been, which makes me think the edge of the plate cut into the pad. I had that happen a couple times as well, but since I started using the W68DA plate designed for the SB2.0 pad system I've had no failure issues whatsoever. Of course, I'm also using a G110v2 as opposed to a GG6.



That said, I totally agree that Griot's sudden downgrading of their machine to being no longer called a "professional" tool and their refusal to honor the warranty when it is used by professional detailers seems like a really bad move. Wonder if anyone could challenge the warranty refusals in court? Is there any provision included in the warranty as supplied with the older machines (still bearing the "professional" name) that would give them an out from providing remedy?



Just thinking out loud....
 
Actually, I had an older "pro" GG6 that the backing plate would not come off, i sent it back simply asking them to remove the plate, but they sent me a brand new one, without the "pro" on there. I'm sure they could have removed the backing plate, even if the spindle was damaged, it had to have been cheaper than an entire unit. Now I'm thinking if one goes in for warranty, they may keep the "pro" ones and just send the newer ones to cover themselves a bit better. That's just the conspiracy theorist in me talking though.
 
Given the same car, same paint, same backing plate, same pad, speed, technique, etc. How could one DA machine leave pigtails and another DA machine not? Assuming specifications are the same.
 
I can't use my GG6 on speed 6 for more than one pass without it getting extremely hot. To the point that I feel it will ruin my backing plate or pad. ( I've had it ruin my backing plate on speed 5 and pads at 4.5 and 5.)



The machine works great as long as you pull it off the car very often to check for heat, but it's a PITA that I can't keep working longer than 10-15 seconds without it getting super hot.
 
I recently experienced a similar situation as RZJZA80. I was using the GG on speed five with Optimum MF pads and the pad came apart. Truth be said, I started to prime another pad and it separated from the foam. My supplier is replacing all the Optimum MF pads for me ( purchased about a dozen) with Optimums latest iteration.



I also experienced an LC H2O Tangerine beginning to fail, the backing plate seemed to cut a circle in the foam; again speed 5.



This is the replacement GG I just received and it's acting a bit funny. At first it would sound as if speed would change on it's own, then it seemed like it wasn't spinning the pad!?



I'm going to be using it today to see if whether it's user error or not.



Bought it as a backup to my Megs DA and I'm beginning to feel like I wish I knew HD was going to be shipping before I purchased it.
 
Honestly, you don't even need speed 6 on the GG DA EVER! For compounding stages with say MF pads, I stay at 4.5 all the time with roughly 25-30lbs of pressure. I use to use speed 6 from time to time 18months ago, but since then with 4.5, I have not ruined a single pad from heat. The correct pressure is where you get the cut from. If speed 4.5 doesn't cut for you, try a little more pressure and make another pass.
 
I'm glad this thread has found others having a similar problem, and it wasn't just me lol. Keep the suggestions coming, as it will obviously help many people here to achieve better results.
 
DJ Mayo said:
Honestly, you don't even need speed 6 on the GG DA EVER! For compounding stages with say MF pads, I stay at 4.5 all the time with roughly 25-30lbs of pressure. I use to use speed 6 from time to time 18months ago, but since then with 4.5, I have not ruined a single pad from heat. The correct pressure is where you get the cut from. If speed 4.5 doesn't cut for you, try a little more pressure and make another pass.
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Whoa, DJ is back! What difference have you found with a lower speed and more pressure vs speed 6 and less pressure? I really don't apply any pressure to the tool, other than its own weight. I find it slows the rotation of the tool and I don't seem to get any better results with more weight, at least not the same way as a rotary. I could certainly see the 30lbs and speed 6 creating some serious heat.
 
DJ Mayo said:
Honestly, you don't even need speed 6 on the GG DA EVER! For compounding stages with say MF pads, I stay at 4.5 all the time with roughly 25-30lbs of pressure. I use to use speed 6 from time to time 18months ago, but since then with 4.5, I have not ruined a single pad from heat. The correct pressure is where you get the cut from. If speed 4.5 doesn't cut for you, try a little more pressure and make another pass.
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Holly cow! Who's this guy? :D



I have to agree with DJ. I'm on speed 4-4.5 for pretty much every car I do and I never go over speed 5.
 
Speed 6 is just a waste, even though the added pressure slows down the rotation, your not loosing the cut. The movement of the DA provides the cut, while you want the pad spinning some, it does not need to spin at full speed in order to get what you want. This past week we did a test with 15lbs of pressure on speed 4.5 and 30lbs of pressure on speed 4.5 / not only did the 30lbs of pressure cut more, it provided a slightly better finish too since the pad wasn't spinning freely.
 
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