Good smelling glass cleaner?
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Setec Astronomy
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tdekany said:
TH0001 said:
I know you two have a personal ax to grind, but this would appear to be the relevant forum rule as listed in the FAQ's (http://www.autopia.org/forum/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_spamming) :
"If you represent a car care product vendor, please identify your business in your signature line (phone numbers, email addresses and website URLs are not allowed)."
So, Todd, it would certainly seem as though you should have your affiliation listed, and it would seem from this page http://www.autopia.org/forum/showgroups.php that Thomas has some affiliation with HD which should also be noted.
That notwithstanding possible changes to the rules shortly when the Autopia store opens.
PS Todd, I don't think you have to worry about offending any paying sponsors with your signature as Tunch (owner) has stated that there will no longer be sponsors as of now or when the new store opens.
Setec Astronomy
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Mindflux said:
I'm not going to argue this, but I don't think that the lack of sponsors is going to change the rules about spamming and shilling. The new owner has stated his intention to have as non-biased a forum as possible, which to me doesn't mean a free-for-all where there is no identification of possible conflicts of interest. Tunch has also stated that there will still be "vendor" forums, rather than "sponsor" forums...so if you can't be a sponsor, I'm presuming a vendor is someone who sells in the Autopia store...in which case...I'm not sure I see much difference between a sponsor and a vendor, nor much change from where we are now.
Todd@RUPES
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Setec Astronomy said:
Thanks for the clarification Setec. I will include the required information regarding forum rules.
I have no axe to grind and have purposely not sharpened it in any debates. The only thing I have a wielded in over a year is a shield to defend myself, when I have the time. Thanks again.
Setec Astronomy said:
I think Autopia is gonna have their own store, not help others market their stuff (like amazon marketplace). So to me "vendors" merely means "manufacturers the Autopia store carries".
I'm all for banning shills, but that means shills that push nothing but 3D products too.
Setec Astronomy
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TH0001 said:
Don't thank me, I'm no official here, I'm just a know-nothing who happened to find my way to the forum rules and post one of them.
Setec Astronomy
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Mindflux said:
Ok...I guess I understand that now--so that means that the Autopia store and vendor forum will only be manufacturers...so Autogeek will be out...but wait Autogeek manufactures several lines...so--it will pretty much be the same as now, right? Or Autogeek will be out? Well, I guess we'll know in a week or two.
Mindflux said:
You guys and your cliques...who said anything about banning? The issue was simply one of identifying conflicts of interest. And if you actually read my post, you'd see that I suggested that both sides needed to clarify their business relationships, not just one or the other.
Thomas Dekany
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I have 0 affiliation with 3D or any other company.
Thomas Dekany
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Mindflux said:
If I am guilty for listing the products I use than what will you do about everyone else?
I guess if everyone uses 105/205 or SIP/106ff on all their details that is ok but because I use HD UNO you think I am schilling?
tdekany said:
Well to me it feels obvious you are shilling. I don't get an obvious "shill vibe" from most of the other members. To me there's a clear line between using products because they are your favorite and using them because it earns you brownie points with a manufacturer. So you can tell me all day long you have no affiliation with 3D but I will never believe that.
Setec Astronomy
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Well, since this isn't really about shilling but about cliques and old grudges--but since I brought it up, Thomas perhaps you can clear up what that "HD" listing is on this page http://www.autopia.org/forum/showgroups.php that you appear in. I vaguely remember DavidB recruiting people to sell the HD line through some sort of proxy web store...I don't know what ever happened with that.
i was part of the "beta" group too. It was all experimental with no promises of any kind. David did a fantastic job launching
the product line with lots of hope. He played his role well and did what he was hired to do; get the ball rolling and hand it over
to 3D, then it became dead. Obviously, to me, 3D/HD is going through difficult times like most others. Never too big to fail...
Setec Astronomy
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Well, I guess if one of you could explain what that "beta" group was/is, you folks can get back to glass cleaner smell and I can get out of this thread before someone catches me here.
Thomas Dekany
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If I get points from 3D I never knew about it.
You can believe all you want. What am I doing different from others?
Before I ever tried uno, the best cutting polish to me was 105. It was way better than anything ever offered. You can look at my pre uno details and see what I used.
One day I tried uno. FOR "ME" uno is everything I ever wished in a polish except that removal is very finicky at times with the 3401. I think california weather is what it likes.
The big deal for me is that it cuts as well as 105 (but not as fast on some paints.) AND DOESN'T DUST!!! I love that. Also the look to my eyes makes even 85rd look plasticky.
If I were to try the new optimum hyper compound spray when it is out and exceeds uno, I'll switch.
I don't care what gets me the results. I am not out to get points. I want to detail a certain way and what ever gets me the best results I use.
PS: to your previous reply, the difference between someone that is excited about a product vs someone that sells a product is: PROFIT.
How hard is it to see the difference?
You can believe all you want. What am I doing different from others?
Before I ever tried uno, the best cutting polish to me was 105. It was way better than anything ever offered. You can look at my pre uno details and see what I used.
One day I tried uno. FOR "ME" uno is everything I ever wished in a polish except that removal is very finicky at times with the 3401. I think california weather is what it likes.
The big deal for me is that it cuts as well as 105 (but not as fast on some paints.) AND DOESN'T DUST!!! I love that. Also the look to my eyes makes even 85rd look plasticky.
If I were to try the new optimum hyper compound spray when it is out and exceeds uno, I'll switch.
I don't care what gets me the results. I am not out to get points. I want to detail a certain way and what ever gets me the best results I use.
PS: to your previous reply, the difference between someone that is excited about a product vs someone that sells a product is: PROFIT.
How hard is it to see the difference?
Thomas Dekany
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Without you knowing it you are actually on my side, as I know for a fact that many top detailers here on Autopia never pay for the products they use. I pay for the products. I can't even get a banner for free. I guess my threads are not that great. So remember, that things are not always as they seem.
UNO IS my favorite product. What do you think I get out of being excited about UNO from 3D?
The very people you are defending are earning free products (brownie points) and you are accusing me.
Man, you are so far off.
UNO IS my favorite product. What do you think I get out of being excited about UNO from 3D?
The very people you are defending are earning free products (brownie points) and you are accusing me.
Man, you are so far off.
Mindflux said:
Thomas Dekany
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No clue Setec. Sorry.
Setec Astronomy said:
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
It is hard to believe that mentioning Meguiars could be considering shilling but maybe the forum owners should clean up the rules and re-post them in the discussion area so people know they changed.
Setec Astronomy
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The rules haven't changed (at least about this). They have been that way for 3 or 4 years. There is no rule about mentioning Meg's or any other products (there is a vague rule about non over-mentioning non-sponsor products). The rule is that if you have some sort of relationship with a mfr/reseller that either makes you money or gets you free product, that you disclose it. IIRC this came about when a new product came out and there was A LOT of buzz and a lot of strong opinions expressed, and it turned out that a lot of the people who were heavy supporters of the product were beta testers for the company and had received the product free, as well as other free products from that company to test. The possibility was there that the prestige and free product of being a beta tester could color a member's remarks, so the rule requires those kind of relationships to be disclosed so that readers can make up their own mind as to the impartiality of the poster's remarks.