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House of Wax -
Thanks for your post # 117 -

Totally on board with everything you said.

We are so blessed to have a huge amount of great men and women here that I believe could actually come together and do some really great things as a group, and for others..

It IS rare in these days of shorter tempers, more violence than ever, less tolerance, and all that mucky stuff, that on of all places - a Detailing Forum - we have all shared in some pretty heavy subject matter, read about some serious illnesses, heard of some losing a loved one, worked through all kinds of challenges with work, home, our dang vehicles, health issues, and much more, and yet we are still together, and I hope we can remain so forever...

If there was ever an example of how we CAN co-exist and sometimes not always be happy with everything, but see past that to the Bigger Picture, this is that place !!!

I personally want to call all of you my Friends, and even though we have not met face to face, I want you to know that I am there for you as I feel you would be there for me..

On the Forum before this one, a few years ago, just after I got the early morning phone call that my Dad, my Hero, died, and I was 3,000 miles away, and I had no family around, after I could compose myself enough to be able to see through my tears, I went on that Detailing Forum and wrote up an Obituary of my Father that I wanted to - needed to share with my good friends here....

It really helped me start to cope with the reality that he was gone to the Spirit World now, and would be just fine, but I would so miss seeing him, hearing his voice, looking into his eyes, getting wisdom from him that I always loved and needed...

God Bless each of you, God Bless this nation, our leaders, and help us all to always be safe and well...
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
House of Wax -
Thanks for your post # 117 -

Totally on board with everything you said.

We are so blessed to have a huge amount of great men and women here that I believe could actually come together and do some really great things as a group, and for others..

It IS rare in these days of shorter tempers, more violence than ever, less tolerance, and all that mucky stuff, that on of all places - a Detailing Forum - we have all shared in some pretty heavy subject matter, read about some serious illnesses, heard of some losing a loved one, worked through all kinds of challenges with work, home, our dang vehicles, health issues, and much more, and yet we are still together, and I hope we can remain so forever...

If there was ever an example of how we CAN co-exist and sometimes not always be happy with everything, but see past that to the Bigger Picture, this is that place !!!

I personally want to call all of you my Friends, and even though we have not met face to face, I want you to know that I am there for you as I feel you would be there for me..

On the Forum before this one, a few years ago, just after I got the early morning phone call that my Dad, my Hero, died, and I was 3,000 miles away, and I had no family around, after I could compose myself enough to be able to see through my tears, I went on that Detailing Forum and wrote up an Obituary of my Father that I wanted to - needed to share with my good friends here....

It really helped me start to cope with the reality that he was gone to the Spirit World now, and would be just fine, but I would so miss seeing him, hearing his voice, looking into his eyes, getting wisdom from him that I always loved and needed...

God Bless each of you, God Bless this nation, our leaders, and help us all to always be safe and well...
Dan F
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Really is amazing, the relationships that form here.
 
Is anyone else but me all of a sudden thinking we should not post some things as we may be informing or point out strengths or weaknesses to the bad guys? I just wrote a long post and deleted it thinking I could be used for no good.
 
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. There are even Christian middle eastern people who hold the same view as "us" who think anything Middle Eastern is atrocious. Such a shame that we have to turn away followers of Christ just because there might be an integrated among them.
 
EXPDetailing said:
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim..
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Nah, there are plenty of Terrorists who are not Muslims. There even are/have been Terrorists who claim to be "Christians" (scare-quotes intentional), which is part of why IS can get traction with their "fight the Crusaders" rhetoric. No single group demographic has a monopoly on Terroristic Bad Behavior.

Again, creating an "us-vs.-them" mindset between Muslims and non-Muslims is one of IS's stated goals. They *need* that to further their agenda. Don't feed the hatred, it's counterproductive.
 
Accumulator said:
Again, creating an "us-vs.-them" mindset between Muslims and non-Muslims is one of IS's stated goals. They *need* that to further their agenda. Don't feed the hatred, it's counterproductive.
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Very true but abused even within the US to stir the pot and breed hatred among fellow Americans and non-Americans.
 
WhyteWizard said:
There seem to be a lot of panties all bunched up. Maybe this will help.

Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism - The Atlantic
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Dunno what "The Atlantic" is, but that article is moronic. These attacks a are not only meant to kill innocents - but spread a clear message of fear.

Yeah, some dummy will prolly die from his couch (although - I can't think how). So, we all will read the article and think they guy who died via furniture is prolly an example of Darwinism.

So what? Is anyone going to be afraid or modify there behavior because of this? Will it cost our country zillions of dollars of in attempts to prevent it? Will free Americans change their behavior and lifestyle in fear of a couch?

You have to be kidding me.

Terrorist attacks are meant to tie up our resources, via rescue efforts and new precautions. They are meant to send a clear message that we may not be safe anywhere at anytime....

And the articles author is equating that with some guy dying from his furniture? What a jackass.
 
"Dunno what "The Atlantic" is, but that article is moronic. These attacks a are not only meant to kill innocents - but spread a clear message of fear."

Actually, the terrorists are trying to spread fear, not a message of fear and it seems to be working just fine. The article was trying to counteract the fear by pointing out that while the terror attacks are big, dramatic and terrible we shouldn't let them scare us into doing things we shouldn't.

Robert

 
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This is just another take on the same issue. The point really is back to "all lives matter" and we are so quick to suspend basic rights for a certain cause. I am not suggesting we ban guns or furniture but it would be no different than tracking people who drink alcohol just in case they drive drunk.

We get accepting of people getting hurt or dying for any number activities but are we soft on drunk driving, soft on gun control, soft on stupidity then? One difference is we accept some and then react completely different to other activities.

Where do you draw the line? The problem it is too convenient to draw boxes around people based upon religion, skin color, sex, etc. If we just put the same effort with the lives in our country, we may fix some of our problems.
 
Bunky said:
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This is just another take on the same issue. The point really is back to "all lives matter" and we are so quick to suspend basic rights for a certain cause. I am not suggesting we ban guns or furniture but it would be no different than tracking people who drink alcohol just in case they drive drunk.

We get accepting of people getting hurt or dying for any number activities but are we soft on drunk driving, soft on gun control, soft on stupidity then? One difference is we accept some and then react completely different to other activities.

Where do you draw the line? The problem it is too convenient to draw boxes around people based upon religion, skin color, sex, etc. If we just put the same effort with the lives in our country, we may fix some of our problems.
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100% agree with you Al. Well said.
 
Bunky said:
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This is just another take on the same issue. The point really is back to "all lives matter" and we are so quick to suspend basic rights for a certain cause. I am not suggesting we ban guns or furniture but it would be no different than tracking people who drink alcohol just in case they drive drunk.

We get accepting of people getting hurt or dying for any number activities but are we soft on drunk driving, soft on gun control, soft on stupidity then? One difference is we accept some and then react completely different to other activities.

Where do you draw the line? The problem it is too convenient to draw boxes around people based upon religion, skin color, sex, etc. If we just put the same effort with the lives in our country, we may fix some of our problems.
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Most of it is "life"

The image is far too easy to make guns out as bad....... Now if it were posted how many were killed by legally licensed firearms carriers with legal weapons, for a non good reason, then it might make sense.

As far as the furniture thing is concerned........ How many of those were killed by the furniture itself, or was this some sort of work place accident? As characterized similar to workplace violence like Major Hasan?

I'm relatively sure that the couch didn't pre meditate the killings.............

It's far too easy to draw lines against guns or furniture........


Seriously though, ISIS is an entity that has sworn to kill us. So in my small mind, there is absolutely NO similarity. I don't think the couch has the same ideology.
 
Ronkh said:
Most of it is "life"

The image is far too easy to make guns out as bad....... Now if it were posted how many were killed by legally licensed firearms carriers with legal weapons, for a non good reason, then it might make sense.

As far as the furniture thing is concerned........ How many of those were killed by the furniture itself, or was this some sort of work place accident? As characterized similar to workplace violence like Major Hasan?

I'm relatively sure that the couch didn't pre meditate the killings.............

It's far too easy to draw lines against guns or furniture........


Seriously though, ISIS is an entity that has sworn to kill us. So in my small mind, there is absolutely NO similarity. I don't think the couch has the same ideology.
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As long as I'm more likely to be killed in a car accident, shot by some knucklehead who shouldn't have had a gun in the first place, die of cancer, a heart attack, run over by a car, etc. I could care less what ISIS says. Seriously, in threat assessment you have to take both intent and capability into account. Sure they'd like to do no end of things, but they don't have the capacity to kill us all or even a statistically significant number of us. If they did, we'd have made dust out of them already.

I do wish we could get congress to authorize military action, committing real forces to getting rid of them but congress doesn't seem to want to do anything that would really matter. They seem more interested in the drama than real solutions.

Robert
 
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Gun Violence Archive 2014 Toll of Gun Violence
Total Number of Incidents 51,760
Number of Deaths1 12,569
Number of Injuries1 23,020
Number of Children (age 0-11) Killed/Injured1 628
Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed/Injured1 2,373
Mass Shooting2 281
Officer Involved Shooting2 3,214
Home Invasion2 2,606
Defensive Use2 1,586
Accidental Shooting2 1,601


Gun violence incidents collected/validated from 1200+ sources daily – source links on each incident report.

1: Actual number of deaths and injuries
2: Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified

Numbers on this table reflect a subset of all information
collected and will not add to 100% of incidents.

Gun Violence Archive Gun Violence Archive

Data Validated: November 22, 2015

Gun Violence Archive
 
I do wonder how the cdc gets the 2014 stats for gun deaths from the 2013 final report................

Mortality

All injury deaths
•Number of deaths: 192,945
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 60.2

All poisoning deaths
•Number of deaths: 48,545
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 15.4

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
•Number of deaths: 33,804
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7

All firearm deaths
•Number of deaths: 33,636
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2013, table 18[PDF - 1.5 MB]



And that the 2013 report has homicide and homicide by gun, but 2014 only has homicide by gun in the headers

2013

Mortality

All homicides
•Number of deaths: 16,121
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.1

Firearm homicides
•Number of deaths: 11,208
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5

Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2013, table 18[PDF - 1.5 MB]
 
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Eh, IMO Gun Control is one of those topics where Internet Discussion just isn't gonna change anybody's position. Just like Religion and some other hot-button topics. The fundamental premeses on which such positions are based are the foundation of a person's entire Worldview and it'd be insulting to think that such beliefs are likey to be altered by a thread on an Internet Detailing Forum.

Some of us are simply gonna disagree about certain topics and Gun Control is one of 'em.

So...I guess I simply won't discuss the topic. Heh heh, I sincerely doubt that anybody here is unclear about where I stand on it anyhow ;)
 
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