GearHead_1
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Do you think that only the males are the ones willing to blow themselves up?
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House of Wax
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Oh absolutely not. We keep hearing it's mainly women and children though that need help. Sure are a hell of a lot of young men in all the videos and images we see of the flood of refugees heading to Europe though. Was just curious what his take would be on my question
Ronkh
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From what I am hearing now, he never said it. As soon as I can document it I will.
Accumulator
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Some sorta-random thoughts on recent posts to this thread:
- untrained people with firearms are generally ineffective and sometimes downright dangerous (note that I'm still a fanatical supporter of the 2nd Amendment)
- anti-muslim sentiments help further the agendas of groups like IS; fostering/furthering those sentiments is one of their *stated objectives*
- people who generalize on the basis of religious affiliation are no different from people who generalize on the basis of race/gender/etc.; it's all just tribalism to me
- as noted, terrorism is absolutely *NOT* a male-only enterprise
- likewise, it's not only women and children who have a legitimate need/desire to leave places like Syria for destinations like the US
- I wouldn't put much stock in televised images of refugees when it comes to determining refugee demographics; ditto for terrorists or any other group- it's TV
- untrained people with firearms are generally ineffective and sometimes downright dangerous (note that I'm still a fanatical supporter of the 2nd Amendment)
- anti-muslim sentiments help further the agendas of groups like IS; fostering/furthering those sentiments is one of their *stated objectives*
- people who generalize on the basis of religious affiliation are no different from people who generalize on the basis of race/gender/etc.; it's all just tribalism to me
- as noted, terrorism is absolutely *NOT* a male-only enterprise
- likewise, it's not only women and children who have a legitimate need/desire to leave places like Syria for destinations like the US
- I wouldn't put much stock in televised images of refugees when it comes to determining refugee demographics; ditto for terrorists or any other group- it's TV
Angus
AspiringProductSpecialist
Nope not at all. But I also think we have a robust system in place for vetting refugees, including multiple high-level security checks, biometric screening, a mandatory interview with the Department of Homeland Security, and a medical screening that have been designed to screen suicide bombers out.
I think we pretty much share the same thinking in this stuff.
Women and Children are a big concern of mine. If you saw American Sniper, radical terrorists using these groups and are counting you on letting your guard down on these types of people and therefore they concerns me greatly. Plus the American Male mentality is you don't hit women or children (maybe just a spanking) period.
Women and Children are a big concern of mine. If you saw American Sniper, radical terrorists using these groups and are counting you on letting your guard down on these types of people and therefore they concerns me greatly. Plus the American Male mentality is you don't hit women or children (maybe just a spanking) period.
Accumulator
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JSFM35X- Yeah, a whole lot of the conventional American Male Mindset (on so many topics) is counterproductive. Didn't bother me that much when it was merely stupid guys being stupid, but at some point it's a genuine risk factor and we don't need any more of those.
(I'd modify that conventional mentality that "you don't hit women or chldren, period" to "well...unless it's your wife or your misbehaving child" in far too many cases, and look how some Americans use religion to justify *that*)
(I'd modify that conventional mentality that "you don't hit women or chldren, period" to "well...unless it's your wife or your misbehaving child" in far too many cases, and look how some Americans use religion to justify *that*)
Ronkh
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Lots of talk about all the screening. But how do you screen em with no documentation?
The biometrics only work if they have the prints/dna on file.
Accumulator
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You have far more faith in Governmental Efficacy than I do.
Ronkh
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Good post
House of Wax
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Flashback: FBI - No Way To Vet Incoming Syrian Refugees [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller
WASHINGTON — The FBI does not have a way to properly vet incoming Syrian refugees and the Federal Bureau of Investigation said so at a House Homeland Security committee hearing in February.
Officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), FBI and the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) told committee members that an intelligence gap exists about terrorists who joined the fight in the civil war happening in Syria and that more than 20,000 foreign fighters have joined the conflict.
“We don’t have it under control,” Mr. Michael Steinback, Assistant Director for the FBI told the committee. “Absolutely, we’re doing the best we can. If I were to say that we had it under control, then I would say I know of every single individual traveling. I don’t. And I don’t know every person there and I don’t know everyone coming back. So it’s not even close to being under control.”
Members also asked about the Obama administration’s proposal to accept thousands of Syrian refugees into the United States by the end of 2016 through an expedited refugee program.
Texas Republican Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the Homeland Security committee, asked if the agencies present concurred that “bringing in Syrian refugees pose a greater risk to Americans?”
“Yes, I’m concerned,” said Steinback. “We’ll have to go take a look at those lists and go through all of those intelligence holdings and be very careful to try and identify connections to foreign terrorist groups.”
McCaul, along with Subcommittee Chairmen Peter King, R-N.Y., and Candice Miller, R-Mich., previously sent a letter to the White House on the Syrian refugee plan.
“Screening these refugees is not a task to be taken lightly,” McCaul and others wrote to the president at the time. “As we saw with previous Iraqi refugees…the lack of a thorough security screening process can result in individuals with terrorist ties exploiting the refugee program to resettle in the U.S. homeland.”Not all Republicans are siding with McCaul and Republicans on his committee. Republican South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham as well as Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain both wants Syrian refugees to come to the United States as refugees.
When asked about the shallow vetting the refugees receive, Graham told The Daily Caller Thursday, “All I can tell you is one thing I won’t do is turn my back on these people. There’s risk to anything you do. At the end of the day I’m not worried about radical Islam coming here. They’re already here.”
He added, “I’m not gonna turn my back on people who are in desperate straits because it’s possible that somebody could get through. Yes, it’s possible. We could turn our back on everybody. That’s exactly what happened to the Jews. We’re not gonna do that again.”
However, McCaul warned Thursday, that ISIS wants to use the refugee crisis as a method to sneak into western countries.
“The Ppresident wants to surge thousands of Syrian refugees into the United States, in spite of consistent intelligence community and federal law enforcement warnings that we do not have the intelligence needed to vet individuals from the conflict zone. We also know that ISIS wants to use refugee routes as cover to sneak operatives into the West,” he said in a statement.
“I implore the president to consult with Congress before taking any drastic action and to level with the American people about the very real security challenges we face.”
Ronkh
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Thank you
House of Wax
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And a little glimpse into the mindset of our amazing commander in chief who's hell bent on bringing the refugees over here:
Attkisson: Obama Won't Read Intelligence on Groups He Doesn't Consider Terrorists - Breitbart
Attkisson: Obama Won't Read Intelligence on Groups He Doesn't Consider Terrorists - Breitbart
Angus
AspiringProductSpecialist
Is the screen process perfect? No. But it also has many layers w/ lots of people involved that take close to 2 years to complete:
1. Refugees are screened by several different agencies.
Their first point of a refugee's contact is with the U.N. High Commission for Refugees. The UNHCR refers people to countries based on whether they have any family members there and where resettlement makes the most sense, say U.S. officials. If that's the U.S., then refugees are vetted by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, and the Departments of State, Defense and Homeland Security. Fingerprints are taken, biographical information is collected. They are then each individually interviewed by U.S. officials trained to verify that they're bona fide refugees. Refugees from Syria are then subject to additional screening that looks at where they came from and what caused them to flee their home, stories that are checked out. All of this occurs before a refugee is allowed to set foot in the country.
2. It's a lengthy process.
As you might imagine, all of the vetting, from interviews to fingerprinting, takes a while. On average, officials say it's 18 to 24 months before a refugee is approved for admission to the U.S. The U.S. has admitted some 1,800 Syrian refugees in the past two years, and President Obama wants to allow 10,000 more. The administration says half of those who have been admitted are children and about a quarter of them are adults over 60. Officials say 2 percent are single males of combat age.
3. Physical resettlement.
There are nine different nonprofit groups, six of them faith-based, that help refugees settle in the U.S. Volunteers with the groups help refugees find homes, furniture, school supplies and jobs.
1. Refugees are screened by several different agencies.
Their first point of a refugee's contact is with the U.N. High Commission for Refugees. The UNHCR refers people to countries based on whether they have any family members there and where resettlement makes the most sense, say U.S. officials. If that's the U.S., then refugees are vetted by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, and the Departments of State, Defense and Homeland Security. Fingerprints are taken, biographical information is collected. They are then each individually interviewed by U.S. officials trained to verify that they're bona fide refugees. Refugees from Syria are then subject to additional screening that looks at where they came from and what caused them to flee their home, stories that are checked out. All of this occurs before a refugee is allowed to set foot in the country.
2. It's a lengthy process.
As you might imagine, all of the vetting, from interviews to fingerprinting, takes a while. On average, officials say it's 18 to 24 months before a refugee is approved for admission to the U.S. The U.S. has admitted some 1,800 Syrian refugees in the past two years, and President Obama wants to allow 10,000 more. The administration says half of those who have been admitted are children and about a quarter of them are adults over 60. Officials say 2 percent are single males of combat age.
3. Physical resettlement.
There are nine different nonprofit groups, six of them faith-based, that help refugees settle in the U.S. Volunteers with the groups help refugees find homes, furniture, school supplies and jobs.
House of Wax
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This portion needs to be read over and over again.
Also in that article they mention wanting an expedited refugee process to get 10k more in here by the end of 2016....so essentially they want to take a process that EXPERTS in the field are saying isn't sufficient enough and reduce it/cut corners
This is just like after 9/11 happening and all of a sudden they're looking back at all these warnings and reports that were ignored and wondering why
Angus
AspiringProductSpecialist
All I know is you have to have faith in our great nation and that we'll continue to help those in need.
House of Wax
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Quick side note.....this thread is a great example of why I love this community we have here on Autopia. This is a topic that is very controversial and could become heated very quickly, yet we've been able to present our ideas and opinions without anybody attacking anyone and making it personal/cross the line. That's pretty rare for internet discussions/message boards. Thanks mods for letting it continue.
......back to the topic at hand
......back to the topic at hand
Angus
AspiringProductSpecialist
Skip to 4:30 on the video for Trump talking about it being "good management" to register and track all Muslims. The reported further clarifies the conversion with Trump at 6:30:
Donald Trump endorses tracking Muslims in US | MSNBC
Accumulator
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Indeed.