Full detail on my car! and not happy

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Focusedonsound said:
Ok ...it maybe be sad but the mess I have made with the rotary has me scared to even look at the damn thing. So that is why I am so afraid to use it again. This car is my baby I have had it since new. And beleive it or not its my daily driver. With 24k On it Its a 2000 GT VERT. My G/F thinks that I care more about the car than I do about her but I tell her I clean my car for the excersise. (She accepted that answer) But she still thinks im anal about the car.

1. Where do I pick up some #83 DACP or where can I have some of it sent from at a reasonable price.

2. Is this kind of damage something that I should be fliping out about or is it something that If I can't get it out by hand this week I can bring it to a local professional and have him do it no problem?

3. If I don't do anything will it get worse? And next time I go to wax the car I should be able to get this out?

I don't want to do anything in a panic and end up making the situation worse than it is. I do know of a local detailer In the next town over. (I was actually thinking of seeing if he needed any weekend help doing interiors or something) and getting a pro to help me out!


Im going to speak to the ppl over on Meguiars online this morning I just registerd over there and I thought I would try to get some info from them over there.

Once again guys I really really appreciate all of the help
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1. You can probably find some locally, lokk in the phone book under "body shop supplies." If not you can find it through one of the DC sponsers.

2. I don't think you should flip out just yet. From what you described it just a bit of rotary swirl. Hopefully it is not a clear coat burn, then you would flip out. I think that in order for them to be removed you will need a machine and a skilled operator, BUT you might as well give it a whirl by hand.

3. Probably will not get worse.

Good luck with it, I would seriosly think about taking it to the detailer. Especially if you know that he is skilled.
 
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EBPcivicsi said:
2. I don't think you should flip out just yet. From what you described it just a bit of rotary swirl. Hopefully it is not a clear coat burn, then you would flip out. I think that in order for them to be removed you will need a machine and a skilled operator, BUT you might as well give it a whirl by hand.
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Can you show pictures of the 2? Perhaps i can give you more info. If it helps I wasn't working the area long.

I only used the glaze on the back bumper as that was my starting point. After seeing how it left this haze I stopped using it. Like I have said ... this haze only shows on the back bumper and no where else on the car. So my guess is that its coming from the glaze step. I have never used this product before either (first time)
 
This picture is exactly what my bumper looks like... just thought this might help you guys further.

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Im in Bergen County New Jersey. I know I have seen someone on here that does sell some of his cars out of Saddle river NJ which is actually where I work.

I would love to have the opertunity to learn from a pro. I love getting down and drity. And thrive at the oppertunity to learn something new.

If there was someone in my area willining to help out. I would be flatterd..
 
OUCH, I think I would try to get help on that one. Without direct guidance it will be VERY difficult to correct that. CLEANDEAN is out of Howell ( I think ) he may be able to give you a hand and you could definetly learn a thing or two from him.

Eric
 
First off, stay cool. It doesn't sound like you have destroyed anything yet.
IMO, you should stay away from the rotary. One way to learn is by learning from your mistakes. Don't make those mistakes on your car, make them on junk panels. When you make a mistake, quite often the damage is done before you even realize it.

What ever methods you use, try doing a small area first. From your description, I have no idea what some of your products are.
Meguiar's #1 Medium Cut Cleaner in their professional line is a pretty abrasive product. A beginner should probably stay away from that. It seems like they have Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner called "Step 1" in the maroon bottle that is quite mild. You shouldn't get into any trouble with the stuff in the maroon bottle. It probably isn't going to be something you can repair all the damage with either.

If you have an actual paint cleaner product, try working on a small (3" x 3") section of the halogram area. Work on that area for 5 minutes and see if you are helping things any. Don't apply a lot of pressure, let the product do the work. That will probaly relieve your mind somewhat when you see things looking a little better. You will soon see why doing the entire car by hand is considered to be quite a project. If you are making improvement, you might do the vehicle a panel at a time. It will take some time, but at least it would get done.
The Porter Cable random orbital polisher woud probably make it a 2 or 3 hour project, but you would need to spend over $100 to get one.
Wifehatescar has a good idea. Someone near your location might have a PC and be able to help you out.

Charles
 
CharlesW said:
First off, stay cool. It doesn't sound like you have destroyed anything yet.

What ever methods you use, try doing a small area first. From your description, I have no idea what some of your products are.
Meguiar's #1 Medium Cut Cleaner in their professional line is a pretty abrasive product. A beginner should probably stay away from that. It seems like they have Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner called "Step 1" in the maroon bottle that is quite mild. You shouldn't get into any trouble with the stuff in the maroon bottle. It probably isn't going to be something you can repair all the damage with either.

If you have an actual paint cleaner product, try working on a small (3" x 3") section of the halogram area. Work on that area for 5 minutes and see if you are helping things any. Don't apply a lot of pressure, let the product do the work. That will probaly relieve your mind somewhat when you see things looking a little better. You will soon see why doing the entire car by hand is considered to be quite a project. If you are making improvement, you might do the vehicle a panel at a time. It will take some time, but at least it would get done.

Charles
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I don't have any "Professional Products" Everything In my detailing cabinet is off the shelf in the store. Here is an exact list of what it includes and what was done the other day.

Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner
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ScratchX
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Quik Clay Detailing System
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Deep Crystal Polish
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Quik Wax
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Quik Detailer
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Gold Class Car Wash Shampoo & Conditioner
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Hi-Tech Yellow Wax
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Show Car Glaze
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Final Inspection
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CALIFORNIA GOLD®
PRE-WAX CLEANER – PHASE 1
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That just about covers the list of whats in my closet ... I do have a few other things but they are mostly just different waxes.

What I did on saturday.

Scratch X by hand on hood and back bumper (the only 2 places that had any type of swirling or fine scratches.) I didn't have any success with this. And it was a pain to remove.

Next I did the whole car by hand with the California Gold Pre wax cleaner.

Then I decided to try the Glaze with the polisher.(On the hood and the Back bumper. Using a wool pad. and removing with a micro fiber towel. I didn't like the result as it was leaving a haze.

Next I Used the Hi Tech Yellow (#26) and did the whole car with a wool pad and removed with a micro fiber towel.

That was what was done to the car.

The only place I am seeing hologram/hazing/swiring (whatever you want to call it i posted a picture of what it looks like earlier) is on the back bumper. Every other panel of the car looks fine.

And the orbital was on the # 2 setting the whole time

I hope this helps
 
Focusedonsound said:
I don't have any "Professional Products" Everything In my detailing cabinet is off the shelf in the store.
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Yeah you do. The tan bottles of product you have are from Meg's Professional Product line. #7, #26, #34. There is certainly nothing wrong in using Meg's Professional or Detailer products. They happen to IMO be quite good. They just need to be used for the correct purpose and in the correct manner.
In reading your last post, I think the wool pad didn't help your situation at all.
Like I said before, try a small section by hand with the Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner. You may be surprised at the results.
Poorboy's SSR's, DACP, some of the 3M products would probably make it a little easier, but you already have the Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner, why not try it?

Charles
 
Thanks for the help CharlesW you are soothing my nerves.

(I didn't realize that the tan bottles were really "Professional grade")

If the rain breaks today you know where I will be. Im going to try at least a little area. And try to take some pics as well.

I think I am going to try and pick up some DACP as well just to have in my cabinet ... I hear lots of great raves about it.
 
So the one thing nobody asked - what speed was the rotory on ?? eek! The wool Pad is for cutting - so what other pads do you have? - As I see it - what happened - Show Car Glaze is not "correction" product at all so it had no cutting ability, but coupled with the wool cutting pad - it put the micromarring in the clear that is causing the hologram like image. I don't think the Meg's Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner has any abrasives so even by hand or machine it will only clean the product off the paint to prep it for the next step (Deep Crystal Polish which is very close to #7 Show Car Glaze just easier to remove!).

The good news is you probaby did not ruin the paint at all - just put some uniform microfine scratches in the clear and thus the hologram effect. If your looking for some pro help then like elortt suggested try a PM to Clean Dean or you can contact him via his website - www.likenewautos.net -
 
You sure about the settings? and it i being a Dewalt 849 rotary? (only reason I ask is I thought the dewalt settings were in RPM's not 1-5).
 
groebuck said:
You sure about the settings? and it i being a Dewalt 849 rotary? (only reason I ask is I thought the dewalt settings were in RPM's not 1-5).
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I know 2 was in the number other than that I don't recall
 
Focusedonsound said:
I know 2 was in the number other than that I don't recall
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I just spoke to my friend who I borrowed it from he said it was a Actually a Porter cable (he ratteled off some number faster than i could write it down) and said that he always keeps it on number 2 (like i had)
 
ah ha

now we get somewhere - did it look like one of these - the first is a rotary the second is the Dual Action -
 
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