Full detail on my car! and not happy

If you're not happy, why not start over?

Evaluate what could have gone wrong and what products you may need to acheive your desired look.

What was the problem?

What color car?

What products did you use?
 
The car ...
2000 Ford Mustang GT Convertible Here is a picture
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This pic is from a few months back and and just after a wash and Megs final inspection.


What I did to the car yesterday is as followes

Wash With Megs Gold class

Clay With Mothers clay bar and Showtime spary

Megs Scratch X on the hood to try and remove some light swirls and some water etching (which was a pain in the arse to remove) and really didn't help

Wash again with Megs gold class

Megs Cleaner (i think its # 1)

Megs Gold Class Glaze

Megs Gold Class Carnuba wax i think # 26

Megs Gold Class Final Inspection.

This was the first time I used a poliser/ and tryed it on my car. The paint just has a kind of haze to it ... espessially noticable at night with lights shining on it. You can see exactly the strokes that I made with the polisher (Dewalt)

What should I do differently Mind you I will propably be doing this by hand this time as I wasn't very pleased with the result with the Polisher. I don't know the differnt pads I was using he only gave me 2 different ones and he said to use one for applying the glaze and one for applying the Wax. Which is what I did. I did everything else by hand.
 
Dewalt 849? Rotary?

Do you know how to use them or was this your first time? If it is your first time, that is certainly the problem.

I do not know of a gold class glaze? Is it the discontinued Gc swirl reducer/prep?

Is the wax GC or is it #26?

Remember it is not the products, it is usually technique and tools, IMO anyway.
 
here is the products that i used.
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Thats everything other than the paint cleaner and the Clay bar.

and no i have never used a rotary before.

When I go to redetail the exterior... waht should I do as prep before hand.
 
I am afraid that you may have created more of a problem than can be handled by hand if you did indeed use a rotary.

The haze that you are talking about is probably "holograms" that are created when using a rotary buffer too fast, with not enough product, etc, etc.

The rotary should be used for correction only and applying a glaze or wax with it is just not the right application for the tool, IMO.

If you cannot get your hands on a PC, then you are going to have to really work to get these out by hand. They may not come out with a PC, it is hard to say without seeing it first hand.

Working by hand I would get some #83 DACP and use a folded 100% cotton terry cloth towel and RUB back and forth until the product disappears. If this does not remove the "haze" you will need someone who knows how to use your rotary or a PC.

Honestly, if I were you I would find a very skilled detailer in my area to fix it. Ask for references and pics.

I would then maintain his/her work and leave the rotary alone.

If you are interested in learning the art of the rotary, it is best to start on junk yard panels and beaters. The rotary takes a LONG time to truely master and using it before practicing can really be diastrous.

Good luck!
 
The haze that you are talking about is probably "holograms" that are created when using a rotary buffer too fast, with not enough product, etc, etc.

Just hearing the word holograms tells me that this is the problem.

The holograms are only apearing on the back bumper. after I saw what I did I went around the whole car with a very brite light and that was the only place where I saw it. So I am guessing that my attention should mostly be focusing on that .

If you look in the picture above it shows most in the area to the left of the "M" and to the right of the "G"

PS: the pic above is not from yesterday its from a few months back.
 
EBPcivicsi said:
If you're not happy, why not start over?

Evaluate what could have gone wrong and what products you may need to acheive your desired look.

What was the problem?

What color car?

What products did you use?
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****jeff bites his tongue****
 
Focusedonsound said:
Please speak up as any and all help is much appreciated.
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Well, It's no secret to the DC community that I'm not a fan of *most* of Meguiars stuff. First, wash off that wax with some dishwashing liquid a couple times. When the water doesn't want to roll off anymore and just kinda "stays there," the wax is pretty much done. As for paint prep, I hope you haven't done too much damage with that polisher...If you're gonna attempt something by hand, try some of Poorboy's SSR's. I would try SSR2 by hand to see if it removes the haze, and follow that up with a round of SSR1. After that, I would seal that shine in with either Klasse Sealant Glaze, Poorboy's EX-P, or Megs Polymer Sealant. Then you have a nice foundation for your favorite wax...just remember, for a Black car (in my opinion) I would go with Trade Secret or Souveran Wax as your finishing touch to deepen that darkness. One of my friends has a 1994 Black GT Convertible, and he did 10 coats of Trade Secret with me last year, and our cars were BLINGIN.

My 2 cents,
Jeff.

P.S.---Since you clayed last time, no need this time.
 
I would like to stick to what I have. (Which is all Megs and Mothers) I also have some 3M products that i have access to.

This is what im thinking of doing ....

Wash with Megs Gold class soap.

1. Using a 100% tery cloth Mothers Paint cleaner
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Ive found that this works very well. (in the past)

Hopfully once I have done this I will be back to normal ... And I will be just doing my normal 3 coats of Mothers #26
 
OH NO

:wait

No experience w/rotary + black paint = TROUBLE

I agree w/the others. You should probably find someone in your area that can help you out. That is a really nice car and it will be worth the $$$$$ to get that paint looking like glass again.
If you swirled or hazed it with the rotary I dont think your gonna get them out by hand but I guess anything is possible.

If you get it figured out post some pics.
GOOD LUCK:)
 
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Agent Phonar said:
:wait

No experience w/rotary + black paint = TROUBLE

I agree w/the others. You should probably find someone in your area that can help you out. That is a really nice car and it will be worth the $$$$$ to get that paint looking like glass again.
If you swirled or hazed it with the rotary I dont think your gonna get them out by hand but I guess anything is possible.

If you get it figured out post some pics.
GOOD LUCK:)
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i know im sick to my stomach just sitting here thinking about it.
If I had a garage to work in I would be out there right now...

I am going to stay away from the rotary as we can tell I have no experience with it untill yesterday. and the results were way less than expected (from not knowing any better i guess)

Im going to try tommrow like i said with the Cleaner ...

Is there any other tips you guys can give me?
 
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Focusedonsound said:
i know im sick to my stomach just sitting here thinking about it.
If I had a garage to work in I would be out there right now...

I am going to stay away from the rotary as we can tell I have no experience with it untill yesterday. and the results were way less than expected (from not knowing any better i guess)

Im going to try tommrow like i said with the Cleaner ...

Is there any other tips you guys can give me?
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Make sure your arms are fully rested!

I am sorry, but I don't think that the mother's cleaner will touch any of them. I have found that it is more of a chemical cleaner.

SSR2, by hand will not IMO touch them either.

I would go straight to #83 DACP, IMO that is the only chance you have at removing SOME of the holograms by hand.
 
:yeah except SSR2 with a good cotton terry cloth or by pc may just do the job :dunno A cleaner polish will not likely do the job. Good Luck

Eric
 
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EBPcivicsi said:
Make sure your arms are fully rested!

I would go straight to #83 DACP, IMO that is the only chance you have at removing SOME of the holograms by hand.
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Ok ...it maybe be sad but the mess I have made with the rotary has me scared to even look at the damn thing. So that is why I am so afraid to use it again. This car is my baby I have had it since new. And beleive it or not its my daily driver. With 24k On it Its a 2000 GT VERT. My G/F thinks that I care more about the car than I do about her but I tell her I clean my car for the excersise. (She accepted that answer) But she still thinks im anal about the car.

1. Where do I pick up some #83 DACP or where can I have some of it sent from at a reasonable price.

2. Is this kind of damage something that I should be fliping out about or is it something that If I can't get it out by hand this week I can bring it to a local professional and have him do it no problem?

3. If I don't do anything will it get worse? And next time I go to wax the car I should be able to get this out?

I don't want to do anything in a panic and end up making the situation worse than it is. I do know of a local detailer In the next town over. (I was actually thinking of seeing if he needed any weekend help doing interiors or something) and getting a pro to help me out!


Im going to speak to the ppl over on Meguiars online this morning I just registerd over there and I thought I would try to get some info from them over there.

Once again guys I really really appreciate all of the help
 
Some of the hazing you are seeing may also be some of the glaze that didn't get completely removed before waxing. You also didn't state what kind of pads you used on the rotary. If they were wool or even previously used foam pads that will leave hazing.
Personally I would try working on a small area that looks bad with the least abrasive product you have, by hand. If using Meg's products try either #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 or even their Medallion paint cleaner.If you have some friends in the area even try to borrow a couple of products until you find something that works. Do not try to correct the entire car until you find the product that will work properly.
As far as the rotary goes, do not give up. If you must use it to remove the haze, go out and buy a brand new polishing pad and use it with the #9 on one small section at a time until you have it figured out. Meguiars makes some good products as does Poorboys and many others. So don't feel like you need to throw out everything you have and buy new.
Hope this helps a little and Good Luck.
 
The one I was using was infact wool. There was some other foam pad that was givin to me but again I really don't know much about it other than my friend said use this pad (the wool) its the easiest to work with (He isn't a professional either)

1. I don't have the cash to be going and buying everything just to see if it works. So im trying to get the direction from you guys and go from there.

2. What kind of pad should I pick up if I was to attempt to do this? Where can I pick up this pad as well?
 
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